Bad news...
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Tyrannosaurus Rex
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""""""""Customs staff says it was the look on his face that gave him away as he tried to board the plane""""""""haahahahahahahahhaah
DDReptiles
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Must of been awkard--"Whats the big buldge in your underwear" 
geckoboy30
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wow omg stupid idiot!
LarryLockard
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Hey that was my plan! LMAO!!!!
Would be interesting what species he had!
I think he is no NZ Gecko Insider, so, from whom did he get the geckos and for whom did he get them??
Some interesting questions!
Bad that NZ Government doesn´t allow export, like Australia.
Bad for the animals because some captive breeding would take the pressure of wildcaught from the country!
No one would smuggle Neph. w. or Neph. l. because there are hundreds of animals bred
best
Tom
I think he is no NZ Gecko Insider, so, from whom did he get the geckos and for whom did he get them??
Some interesting questions!
Bad that NZ Government doesn´t allow export, like Australia.
Bad for the animals because some captive breeding would take the pressure of wildcaught from the country!
No one would smuggle Neph. w. or Neph. l. because there are hundreds of animals bred
best
Tom
LarryLockard
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Tom's got a point. A program to let small numbers of CB animals out would not only help aleviate the smuggling attempts but would also give more people the opportunity to develop better husbandry techniques. I think that in a long-term sense this would be better for all parties.
LarryLockard
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Derek,
I would've just said 'Why are you staring at my package?" LMAO!!
I would've just said 'Why are you staring at my package?" LMAO!!
Menhir
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Well, I do not fully agree with that point. In european vipers, nearly all species and subspecies are available. None the less, there is still collecting going on because people want pure local animals. And what animals are the purest? Right, the one that I collected myself because there is no "man in the middle". In this hobby, people will always try to have something special. If everyone has a Naultinus spec. from locality X, the one that will get responses like "OMG, AWESOME, WOW" will be the one that has them from locality Y. And imagine some guy has Z as well...
Not taking sides on that issue, I would just like to point out that the solution described will not only have advantages and, imho, the same guys that try to smuggle now will smuggle then as well, just focus on other "specials" like locality, morphotypes etc.
Gecko Love
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"Your package is moving." :crackup:
Bad news
I am not even sure which side of this topic...Is Bad News..?
Is a bad news, that guy attempted to smuggling these animals (illegally) or bad news that they caught him..?
Let's look on this "Bad News" from to different point of views:
1. If he would manage to transport this animals to his country , less likely he would keep all animals in his collection , he would probably would sell it on black market in Europe (90 % of that animals according topic was pregnant females),so babies would be CB (not captive breed) ,but (CB) captive born. Which is more adaptive to live and breed in captivity, but in other hand have great genetically diversity, which would definitely improve blood lines of species already established in captivity.
2. If NZ government allowed small amount of animal to be legally exported for breeding purposes to establish captive breed population and that species would successfully bred in captivity, I don't think that anybody would risk to stick in his pants couple dozen of lizard, which in his country cost $100...For example many Nephrurs species (compare prices 5 years ago and now)
This is not isolated accident, let’s take for example Mike Plank, everybody read that he tried to smuggle Australian species and many more people that we don't know about or were succeeded.
I am 100% sure for this people that is not only a greed to make money on reselling this animals , but collectors greed , get new species to work with , get something new and exciting in hobby.
I am against illegal exportation of any kind of animals from wild...but regulated extraction and establishment in captivity is unquestionable important, because surviving certain species in wild very problematic due to ecological and interspecies pressure .I can show you many examples of proper adaptation and management rarest species from wild caught to captive bred.
Just one recent example :
10 years people from poison frog community tried to obtain permit from Perry government for exporting frogs …to establish captive breed population . (all this years small amount of this frogs was probably smuggled from wild and cost a lot of $),10 years unsuccesfull attemps but after permit was granted , frogs was successfully bred in captivity and why would anybody would risk to bring them illegally in the country ?
Maybe instead of just pure criticism , we should work in the direction of showing importance of captive breeding species which in near future may face extinction in the wild. That specimens preserved in captivity would be that reserve for the reintroduction species back in the wild
Gena V
I am not even sure which side of this topic...Is Bad News..?
Is a bad news, that guy attempted to smuggling these animals (illegally) or bad news that they caught him..?
Let's look on this "Bad News" from to different point of views:
1. If he would manage to transport this animals to his country , less likely he would keep all animals in his collection , he would probably would sell it on black market in Europe (90 % of that animals according topic was pregnant females),so babies would be CB (not captive breed) ,but (CB) captive born. Which is more adaptive to live and breed in captivity, but in other hand have great genetically diversity, which would definitely improve blood lines of species already established in captivity.
2. If NZ government allowed small amount of animal to be legally exported for breeding purposes to establish captive breed population and that species would successfully bred in captivity, I don't think that anybody would risk to stick in his pants couple dozen of lizard, which in his country cost $100...For example many Nephrurs species (compare prices 5 years ago and now)
This is not isolated accident, let’s take for example Mike Plank, everybody read that he tried to smuggle Australian species and many more people that we don't know about or were succeeded.
I am 100% sure for this people that is not only a greed to make money on reselling this animals , but collectors greed , get new species to work with , get something new and exciting in hobby.
I am against illegal exportation of any kind of animals from wild...but regulated extraction and establishment in captivity is unquestionable important, because surviving certain species in wild very problematic due to ecological and interspecies pressure .I can show you many examples of proper adaptation and management rarest species from wild caught to captive bred.
Just one recent example :
10 years people from poison frog community tried to obtain permit from Perry government for exporting frogs …to establish captive breed population . (all this years small amount of this frogs was probably smuggled from wild and cost a lot of $),10 years unsuccesfull attemps but after permit was granted , frogs was successfully bred in captivity and why would anybody would risk to bring them illegally in the country ?
Maybe instead of just pure criticism , we should work in the direction of showing importance of captive breeding species which in near future may face extinction in the wild. That specimens preserved in captivity would be that reserve for the reintroduction species back in the wild
Gena V
Luperosaurus
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Again???!!!!
luc
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And here another case
Lizard smuggling ring foiled - Story - National - 3 News
Lizard smuggling ring foiled - Story - National - 3 News
Ruru
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There are already captive populations of these species in New Zealand. Captive populations overseas are worse than useless, as overseas animals can never contribute to the gene pool of wild populations. There's too many risks of introducing a disease to a wild population from an individual that has been in other countries. Then you get poachers permanently removing wild animals from population, reducing the genetic diversity of the wild population.
Legal breeding of individuals overseas in order to reduce the pressure of poachers will never work for rare, slow breeding animals. The animals breed so slowly that the demand for poached animals will be just as strong as ever. Also if by some miracle you managed to breed enough animals for the demand, there would be very little variation among the captive population (founders effect), so there woud still be strong demand for wild-sourced animals with higher variation.
Also regarding your last statement, I'm pretty sure the individuals poached were from a managed reserve area, and so were not facing extinction. The biggest threat that population faced was from poaching, and it may now face extinction because of poaching. Don't glorify the poacher, they are in it for personal gain, not the good of the animals they poach.
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its interesting to read the answers of so many stupid persons,
what do you think guys, all this shitgeckos you can buy by dealers, where do they come from, ?????
they are all cought in nature, all are wc..... is this better???
(to buy a gekko gekko for 15,-, or this cheap Madagaskar animals)
all of you will be the first which are interested in buying this animals,
and then of course you will post them, look at my great gecko , ,its so rare
do you think all this N.gray and other NewZealand geckos, are born in Switzerland? of course the parents are not legal wc, , ok maybe a few but for shure not all....
you dont know the story about this man..but you are telling things like you are the wildlifechief
Noone of you knows the right story so, stop speaking about it, this is not ok!
by the way so you eat fish? think about it!
its interesting to read the answers of so many stupid persons,
what do you think guys, all this shitgeckos you can buy by dealers, where do they come from, ?????
they are all cought in nature, all are wc..... is this better???
(to buy a gekko gekko for 15,-, or this cheap Madagaskar animals)
all of you will be the first which are interested in buying this animals,
and then of course you will post them, look at my great gecko , ,its so rare
do you think all this N.gray and other NewZealand geckos, are born in Switzerland? of course the parents are not legal wc, , ok maybe a few but for shure not all....
you dont know the story about this man..but you are telling things like you are the wildlifechief
Noone of you knows the right story so, stop speaking about it, this is not ok!
by the way so you eat fish? think about it!