worried:lethargic lineatus female

[deaxone]

last night i noticed my female lineatus looking a bit off,when i touched her i didnt get the usual reaction,she didnt move much and her tail seems to be floppy,as well as sparadic deep breathing,and looking slightly dehydrated in with the tail like it is,
im so worried because ive had bad luck recently with female uros,
shes been big for ages,but ive had no eggs,im begginning to wonder if she could be egg bound,i have noticed her in possitions that look like she may be trying to lay but as i say ive had no eggs or duds that i know of,
im considering a visit to the vet for an xray and check up,but in the state shes in im not sure its the best idea,my instincts tell me shes in trouble,and im not sure that the stress wont finish her off,
i wish i took her a few weeks ago when i thought about it,shes so beautiful its breaking my heart to see her like this,i just dont know what to do,

does she look big(gravid/overweight)?

is there anything anyone would suggest i do?

 

[deaxone]

shes much worse,i found her still alive but upsidedown on the floor with crix round her tail,i managed to get a small amount of substrate out of her mouth and put her in a small viv with some cover to go peacefully as possible,
it is just horrible seeing her twitching her toes trying to move,i dont know what could have turned her from a healthy gecko into what i see now in such a short amount of time,
im worried she may have something that could be passed on,or maybe she has eggs inside her,
im so gutted,i feel like crying right now,i was thinking about a vet trip for her a few weeks ago but now its too late,
i feel like ive let her down,

 

[Graham_s]

Has she been eating normally? Have you been making sure she has been getting enough calcium?
I really hope that she does make it but it isn't sounding promising. Keeping stress to a minimum, try to move her into a minimalistic vivarium with paper towel flooring and keep humiditiy high and temperatures on the warmer side. This way you can monitor her progress much better, and if she is consuming substrate then it will also eliminate that. If she doesn't make it then make sure you get a post mortem done.
keep us updated and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.


EDIT: Just re-read and realised you said you'd moved her into a different vivarium already.

 

[deaxone]

cheers graham,
yeah its not looking good for her,shes been doing fine until now,plenty of food,calcium etc,its realy thrown me,im wishin for a recovery but in all honesty she seems too far gone,
at the moment i think it is either some sort of bug or something to do with retaining eggs,not sure if the pic does justice to how big she is,i wonder if they could be saved if she is gravid?
i cant tell you how i feel right now,shes such a beautie,its so hard to look at her right now,

 

[Graham_s]

replied to your PM.

Make sure that she is in a dark, warm, humid environment and disturb her as little as possible. As you say, it seems like it is unlikely she can be helped, so the ball is in her court. I know how difficult it is, but try to disturb her as little as possible, and maybe giver her until tomorrow morning.


Just had a thought:

You could perhaps try some of that Critical Care stuff if you have any? It may be the boost she needs?

 

[David]

did you de-worm her?

did you provide UV? Ca is a thing but without D3 it is not very helpfull

try to make her licking a solution of MinerAll + water (Ca + D3 + water)
put also a UV bulb on top of her enclosure

if she survives, I suggest you deworming (is that word exist? lol), then snails and UV, and minimal source of stress

sorry for bad english, quick writing..

 

[deaxone]

she passed on last night,i did try and get her to lick some calcium and nutrobal mixed with a bit of cgd but i think she was too far gone,i couldnt get her to open her mouth and i didnt want her last hours to be too stressful,ive spent the day trying to find someone to do a pm on her but so far the best quote ive had was for 150pounds!,if i cant find someone to do it cheaper its gonna be another mystery,
im so devistated,i cant work it out,
the only change i had made recently was feeding her a few snails,which she seemed to enjoy,im just wondering if it was the right thing to do,
she looked so healthy,she was big but im not sure she was gravid,i dont think it would have been calcium as i dont see how i could have got any more into her without force feeding,
could she have been egg bound?
ahhhhhhh
so many variables,

 

[Graham_s]

Sorry to hear that she didn't make it.
where did you get the snails from? Were they collected from the wild?
£150 for a PM sounds about right - they aren't cheap, especially on these sorts of animals.

 

[cacoonkitty]

oh no....im so sorry shes gone...she was a beautifull one to, amazing markings...my thoughts are with you chick!!, make sure her set up is well cleaned out and disenfected before re use any other lined leaf tail geckos kept in with her carefully watched ..just incase it was a disease...how long have you had her for ?? and was she kept with a male ??? it could well have been be egg binding if she got large for no reason.odd that she didnt lay though is she was!?? this would cause suffocation as the eggs get to big for her to function... again im so sorry for your loss...its never easy or nice.

 

[miguel camacho!]

If you preserved her after death by putting her in the freezer or in alcohol, you could invest a a little money in a scalpel (or Xacto knife), some tweezers, and a small pair of cosmetic (nose hair) scissors and take a look for yourself to find out if she was egg-bound. Otherwise, you can examine the gut contents to see if there was any impaction. Without having a healthy specimen to compare to, it could be difficult to determine any cause of death otherwise (at least by yourself).

 

[deaxone]

thanks for all the input guys,
i found out from someone on here that the guy i got them from is known for selling wc as cb at hamm,so i never found out their age,its just another variable i suppose but i thought that they were well established when i got them so they may have been ltc?
ive lost geckos before but this realy knocked me back,
she just went downhill so quickly its just left me devistated,,i spent most of friday trying to find someone to do a pm,and the rest of the weekend wishing i could turn back time
i have put her aside in the fridge,im waiting on a friend to get back to me,he did mention it to me once before so im hoping he may be able to do one or at least pass her on to someone who can,
i realy hope he can help because im not sure i could do it myself,although i suppose its something you have to get used to and would be helpful to know how to do in the long run,
i will keep you guys updated if i can get one done,

thanks for your help and concern guys,lets hope i have a better reason to share in my next post/s

 

[jadrig]

Well, Honestly, I think that you would have more of a problem with a captive bred female breeding/producing eggs than a WC female...

Parasites would not be a problem, most likely.

If she seemed healthy, physically, and then all of a sudden crashed...it was probably CALCIUM!
were her hands/feet/limbs twitching when she moved? if so, calcium problems... what calcium supplements did you use?

like Mike said, you should just cut her open, see if you see undigested snail shells or eggs...take some pictures...

Uroplatus tails shrivel up when they are dehydrated, but also when their fat supply is running low...

Sometimes my male Henkels 'fast' and their tails lose their rigidity...They are perfectly hydrated...

When their calcium is 'low', all of their systems shut down, even while they are 'healthy' in respects to having 'good' body weight...they will not use up their excess/backup fat supply before they die...

Towards the end of the breeding season, my female Henkels sometimes get the 'shakes' or tremors...

I separate them from the males and give them some repcal with babyfood...

I get immediate results within a day or two...

 

[syntheticreality]

I have seen a few sikoraes decline and pass in a similar way. I wish we knew the cause of this.

 

[deaxone]

i buried her this moning,she had been in the fridge for a while and my brother wasnt too happy about it,
i guess its another mystery,
i think from now on im going to be more careful about buying,i bought these as cb and found out later that the guy they came from is known for selling wc as cb,
hopefully ill be able to find a young cb female to eventually pair with my male,

thanks again for all the imput guys,hopefully it will be good news next time

 

[jadrig]

I know that it is a big deal 'across the pond' about aquiring a WC or LTC specimen. I do find it really odd how everyone over there thinks that theyve been HAD if there is a possibility that they could have aquired a WC specimen...
I know I think this way because over here, more than 95% of the Uroplatus are WC...

I think the best solution for these geckos and their success in captivity would be to legally aquire freshly WC specimens all over the world in every country for at least one or two years at a time...
Then, even in the States, Cut off the importation completely for a year or two ...

This is important, especially when trying to aquire new blood for breeding...
I feel the same way about Phelsuma...

In the end, I feel bad about your gecko...but I doubt the reason for its death is because it could possibly have been WC...
If the animal was happy and thriving for several months...and all of a sudden, CRASHED, it was most likely due to Calcium problems...

 

[deaxone]

to be fair your right,
ive just had bad luck when dealing with people tellig me im gettin cb but ending up being wc,whilst a few have died,(usually just after getting them)i still have some wc geckos that are just fine,so i see your point completly,
i had had her a while and she was ok and it did hapen pretty suddenly,although im not too sure it was calcium,i may be wrong but she had been getting as much ca as possible,
im realy regreting feeding wc snails,i wont make that mistake again:
whatever it was i will keep a close eye and hope it dosnt happen again,

again thanks for your imput m8