Should I Use Calcium Powder With D3?

Annet

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I have a Leopard Gecko and a herpetologist told me to use Calcium Powder without D3, but none of the pets stores in my area has it without D3. I want to know if D3 would hurt my leo or if I should go ahead and use it.

Also, does my leo need any other types of vitamin powder.

~Annet~
 
I have a Leopard Gecko and a herpetologist told me to use Calcium Powder without D3, but none of the pets stores in my area has it without D3. I want to know if D3 would hurt my leo or if I should go ahead and use it.

Also, does my leo need any other types of vitamin powder.

~Annet~

You can use the Calcium with d3 to lightly dust the feeder insects.

If you ask the pet shop owner they will order you a tub of calcium without the d3. Or you can order the stuff on line, I prefer the zoo med stuf myself but there are plenty of brands out there that will do the trick.

The calcium without d3 should be offered in a small dish inside the leos enclosure.

As for the need for additional vitamin powders, that depends on how well you feed the insects you offer to your leo. There are several trains of thought on this;

Mine is to give the insects a very good diet full of vitamins, minerals, etc. that way the nutrients are passed to the leo via. its food. I lightly dust with a calcium mixture at every feeding.

Other people dust with vitamins and calcium on a very set schedule they have found to work well for them.

Still others will feed a very high calcium diet to the insects for 18 to 24 hours prior to offering them to their leos which corrects the Ca:p ratio, then dust with vitamins on a schedule that they have found to work well for them.

A smaller portion of people will feed a very diverse diet of insects, paying very close attention to the nutrient values of those insects to create a diet that is good for the leopard gecko.

When you boil it all down, you want to achieve a Calcium to Phosphorous ratio very close to 2:1, the rest is very subjective with regards to how much vitamins and minerals should be offered.

I prefer to provide vitamins and minerals other than calcium via the insects and adjust the final Ca:p ratio with dusting, I feel this is safer for the leopard geckos and other critters I maintain. I worry more about over supplementing that anything else.

I believe that when the insect consumes a quality diet, it is doing most of the conversion of carbohydrates, lipids, amino acids, vitamins and minerals into forms which are better used by our insect eating reptile charges.

It is my understanding that every vitamin and mineral works best when offered in proper combination with each other.

To me this means each meal should be balanced, and this is quite hard to to with a dust product when most vitamins and minerals are needed in very low quantities.

For me feeding the insects a diet that contains great nutrition works very well, but you must understand that I take great care in constructing my insect diets for this very purpose, it is an advanced care method.

Leopard geckos are very hardy geckos that can take quite a bit of error in feeding methods, a tiny pinch of vitamin dust added every 3 to 5 days to the calcium you use to dust the feeder insects with is not going to hurt and very likely will do them some good if you feed pet shop insects to your leo.

Maurice Pudlo
 

Gecko Love

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You can use the Calcium with d3 to lightly dust the feeder insects.

If you ask the pet shop owner they will order you a tub of calcium without the d3. Or you can order the stuff on line, I prefer the zoo med stuf myself but there are plenty of brands out there that will do the trick.

The calcium without d3 should be offered in a small dish inside the leos enclosure.

Very good explanation, Maurice. I do this with my gecko.
Vitamin powder dust 2 days on crickets.
Calcium w/D3 dust 3 days on crickets.
2 days no dust.
Calcium without D3 in a small cap at all times in enclosure.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Hi Annet ~

Perhaps you've already noted this. Maurice recommends a calcium to phosphorous ratio of 2 to 1. The way to achieve this is to use a calcium mixture (with D3) that is phosphorous-free. Feeder insects have their own balances of phosphorous. Adding more phosphorous via any calcium powder is counterproductive and interferes with calcium absorption. Check the label on your calcium! I like Rep-Cal's Ultrafine Phosphorous-free Calcium with D3.
 
Hi Annet ~

Perhaps you've already noted this. Maurice recommends a calcium to phosphorous ratio of 2 to 1. The way to achieve this is to use a calcium mixture (with D3) that is phosphorous-free. Feeder insects have their own balances of phosphorous. Adding more phosphorous via any calcium powder is counterproductive and interferes with calcium absorption. Check the label on your calcium! I like Rep-Cal's Ultrafine Phosphorous-free Calcium with D3.

This is correct to a point, the exception would be when feeding insects who's Ca:p ratio has been corrected with a diet designed for that purpose.

Let me elaborate for a moment, crickets, mealworms, and waxworms have all been studied quite extensively with regards to their Ca:p ratios when fed an optimal breeding type diet. Studies have also been done to determine what exact diet must be used to correct their Ca:p ratio to as near 2:1 as possible. I'll pass this info along a bit later.

A day later but here are some things I could run down quickly, some are not complete texts just the front page or abstracts. You can decide how you wish to research the topic based on your interest in the subject, trust me their exists a wealth of information out there for you to look at. There is also alot of information that is presented as hard and fast fact when that is not always the case.


Adding calcium without phosphorus to insects that already have a correct ratio will alter the ratio by providing too much calcium.

There are some times where more calcium is needed by a particular reptile, but more calcium without the proper quantity of phosphorus does zero good.

If more calcium is required, both feeding a diet known to correct the Ca:p ratio and dusting with a product that contains both calcium and phosphorus in the balanced 2:1 ratio is a proper method.

There are few reasons to use this method, nearly all should be diagnosed by a qualified veterinarian. Gravid females, and geckos that are very obviously suffering from MBD can use additional calcium. This is very much an advanced topic, but should at the very least indicate to you just how involved keeping reptiles can be if you wish to delve deeper into the science of it.

One must consider many things when using supplements of any type, and for us at least it is certain that a proper Ca:p must be one of those things we strive to control.

I don't wish to discount what Elizabeth said, it is sound advice in nearly every case.

Maurice Pudlo
 
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