Tokay Morphs...

[Riverside Reptiles]

David, that's crazy how much he ended up changing. I do like him in his current blue form as well though. It'll be interesting to see if he continues to change any more during his adult life. I think that you should get him back from your friend and try breeding him to some other stuff to see what pops out. Maybe try him with some of the calico x calico females that you've produced.

 

[Kita]

If Black Frost still doesn't show interest at the beginning of next season, I'd love to see if your interested in a stud service to pair him with Rain and/or Overcast for the season.

 

[TokayTom]

i realy like the olive tokay morph, i may have to invest in finding a female with that morph, id like to mixbreed that morph with the original, to try get orange spots on the morph.

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

Ok, so it's been about a month and a half since I posted a pic of this green granite female (see beginning of this thread for prior pic). Again, she's cbb from calico x calico breeding. This is the lightest I've ever seen her and her blues and greens were simply amazing looking today. No signs left of any red or black pigments. And her head pattern is almost completely gone. She's quite a jewel IMHO.




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[Green-eyed Gecko]

Hey Ethan,nice female!

I'm curious if the metamorphosis will go on!
One of my WC females looked same like yours as I got her. She was already adult at that moment. After some years she started to change into a calico (you can see her on the pic)
But I know Tokays that looked like that which stagnate and never done the last step! - That's maybe what I added with the different types of calico - metamorphosis...

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...n-white-lined-etc/49322-black-eyed-tokay.html

Best,
Georg

 

[Kita]

Shes beautiful Ethan. Ad a Powder Blue to my crew list.

 

[Ophidiophile]

It's just absolutely incredible, Ethan, the changes that animal has gone through. I hope the next stage is calico, although in my opinion any one of the intermediate stages would have been just great too!

And nice powder blue Kita!

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

All of the calico x calico babies have gone through some changes. But none of them like that one particular girl. I'll be more than satisfied if she stays the same as she is now. And so far, none of them have ended up with black eyes like their mother. But only time will tell. I certainly won't complain if she turns calico. I'll keep posting updates. I really can't wait to breed two of these calico x calico's together and see what we get out of the second generation.

Kita, the new powder blue is very nice. It's amazing how much variability tokays can have on a day to day basis between their light colors and their dark colors. He has no black at all in his lighter pics, but in the dark pic, he looks totally gray...almost melanistic.

 

[Aquira]

Wonderful tokays keep popping up in here. <3

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

im sorry if it offends any1 but i have to say that most of these
'morphs' are extremely ugly. the odd few aren't too bad but
the higher percent of the morphs i have seen (on other sites too)
just spoil the whole natural beauty of a tokay. i mean from a
lovely baby blue colour with orange spots to a dull grey or
green colour with no spots just doesn't do the tokays justice.

To each their own. And I think that most of us here fully appreciate the beauty of a "normal" tokay. But perhaps in a thread made specifically for tokay morphs is not the best of places to state your opinion. This thread was not made as a "debate" on tokay morphs but as a place where those of us that DO enjoy them to better understand the genetic potential behind them and coordinate our efforts. Certainly feel free to start your own "debate" thread though. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also keep in mind that all of these tokay morphs are naturally occurring. So, they are as much "normal" as any other tokay IMHO and as far as we know so far, may well be a difference in locale or even different ssp.

 

[Matt K]

While I too think the current Toaky color 'morphs' are seriously ugly compared to a normal (read: "typical"), I like them for thier serious potential. If you have genes that curve an otherwise straight line, it can be exciting to see where that curve leads to. I am all for people breeding color morphs to see which are stable and which change in time, and what can be seen or learned from those. Even consider buying some myself sometimes. My 'typical' tokays reproduce very well and I enjoy having them.

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

Well said Matt

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

Kristyn, I know that you've produced a bunch of normal babies as I've seen your classified ads. But I'm curious if you've produced any from your morphs yet? And if so, what have been the results so far (ie what have they looked like when they hatched out etc)?

 

[Kita]

Kristyn, I know that you've produced a bunch of normal babies as I've seen your classified ads. But I'm curious if you've produced any from your morphs yet? And if so, what have been the results so far (ie what have they looked like when they hatched out etc)?

First eggs laid in August so none yet, but they are with a normal male because my morph male still isn't ready. I have the three of them together again now and Black Frost is actually with them this time.

 

[MauricesExoticPets]

Its very much a to each his or her own kind of thing, I am not all that fond of several particular morphs in a number of species.

Though I will say for everything there is a place, morphs are best as pets, and normals as display animals. That's my opinion, we all have one.

Maurice Pudlo

 

[Ingo]

For tokays, the morph thing is different. These are not fancy inbred designer animals of dubious genetic composition and vitality but specimens from naturally occuring populations of undetermined taxonomic status. Thus, they have to be treated as any other wild caught/non domesticated animal.

Best

Ingo

 

[Ozymandias]

that last one looks awsome

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

Wow man, those are some hot looking tokays! You know who to put on your list for babies this year right??? I'll be really interested to see what you pair up with that yellow green female. A caramel albino male perhaps? Congrats on the great purchases.

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

Ok, so here's an update picture on my calico x calico that turned into a green granite. Her head is now pretty much completely patternless. And, if you look closely, it looks as if she's lost/losing pigment on the tip of her nose as well as the bottom of her jaw! Turning into a peach head perhaps??? A lucy maybe??? Only time will tell. But one thing is for certain, these guys continue to change over a long period of time.



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[Ophidiophile]

Thanks so much for posting this Ethan. It does look to be losing pigment on the head. I really want to stay on top of how the offspring change. And you're right, as I showed with my calico sire who went from blue and white to gray and white (he's still that same gray and white now) and my black granite on black that went to black granite on blue, these guys continue to change even as full grown adults. Tokays are definitely weird (and wonderful!)