Hi, I'm new here and I had a question about my male SHTCT. I am planning on breeding him this summer and am still looking for a female, but I'm not sure which morph I should look for. Originally I was thinking a RAPTOR or APTOR would be a good pairing, but I read something saying because this morphs genes are recessive all the babies would be SHTCTs. Just curious as to what people would be a good breeder with a SHTCT.
Leopard gecko breeding question
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Allee Toler
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Another SHTCT or a SHTCTB.
Some of it depends on what you want to produce. If you like the orange and/or the non-spotted look, then another SHT as mentioned above could get you even oranger babies. If you like spots, pair it with anyother gecko you like the look of and you should end up with a range of spotting. If you like what some of the recessive morphs look like, pair it with a recessive morph and breed the offspring to each other or back to the recessive parent.
Aliza
Aliza
Thanks for your input! I'm still deciding, but I was curious, I'm not looking to breed for money, it was just a hobby (keeping reptiles) that I wanted to try taking to the next level , but I was wondering what morphs are selling for the most on the reptile market today. And also, do you know if creamsicles can only be created after several generations of breeding or are they a first generation morph? Thanks again for the help, really appreciate it
azkfxgecko
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it depends on what you call a creamsicle, i was sold a "creamsicle" but in reality it looks NOTHING like the creamsicle in that first link!
Allee Toler
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True Creamsicles are line bred SHTCTB Snows developed by JMG. It irritates me to no end that people pass off snows with a yellow/orangy hue as creamsicles when creams themselves have a VERY distinctive look and look nothing like what others are passing off as creams.
Creamsicle - Leopard Gecko Wiki
If you look at those photos you'll see that they're very specific looking (JMG's photos). It took years to create their image of a "creamsicle" and they're still improving it with each generation. The fact that others are trying to pass off hypo tang snows as creams is a slap in the face at all the work JMG has put into developing this line. Tangerine Snows have been around for a while.
If I was like the other breeders, I'd have two creamsicles and a creamsicle albino. :lol: They're really just SHT Snows and a SHTCT Tremper Snow ("snow glow").
Thanks guys, in that case I won't try for creamsicles, but I would still love to hear any of your input about the cost of the different Leo morphs and what you think would be a good cross with my SHTCTB. I've heard they're a base to a lot of what we commonly think of as more exotic morphs. Thanks again!
azkfxgecko
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well i thought i was buying a creamsicle since i never seen that post before, but basicallly what made me think it was what it is, is it had a sort of reverse strip, as the spots ran straight down the back, it had turquoisish color around eyes, when i bought him the tail was a white/purple pretty color, than i was informed it really wasnt a creamsicle, either way i like him but still sucky ya know?
Allee Toler
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Prices are iffy. Never base what you breed on the price. Pick a morph you visually love, and work towards it.
Newer morphs cost more, then drop in price drastically as the morph becomes more common or as more people decide to breed that morph. RAPTOR's when they first came out were hella expensive, now they're just as common as Tremper Albinos.
Honestly, if you're in it not for the money but for the hobby, then why does the price matter? Pick something you like and breed it. Or don't breed it. Whichever. This market is so flooded anyways. I breed for the love of the animal. I breed for myself, not for any morph or any sales. I kept a majority of the geckos I hatched the last couple seasons. This year was a hard year for me so I had to sell off a majority of my collection, unfortunately.
Newer morphs cost more, then drop in price drastically as the morph becomes more common or as more people decide to breed that morph. RAPTOR's when they first came out were hella expensive, now they're just as common as Tremper Albinos.
Honestly, if you're in it not for the money but for the hobby, then why does the price matter? Pick something you like and breed it. Or don't breed it. Whichever. This market is so flooded anyways. I breed for the love of the animal. I breed for myself, not for any morph or any sales. I kept a majority of the geckos I hatched the last couple seasons. This year was a hard year for me so I had to sell off a majority of my collection, unfortunately.
Thanks Allee Toler, I'm sorry you had to sell most of your collection; that must've been really hard. honestly though, about the prices, I was just curious. I see a lot of websites where the geckos are going for hundreds or thousands of dollars and I was just looking to know what made one morph so much greater then the next. The carrot tail I have was purchased from a breeder at a reptile expo. We ended up getting him for $80 although the original price was $150 (the breeder gave us a discount). He is a great looking guy with a deep yellow coloring and his tail is at least 3/4 carrot if not more. I just wasn't sure why people were charging more for ones of the same morph when mine has better attributes in certain areas, for ex. His tail. But I am not turning this into some big breeding project, just the male and the female and maybe well keep a baby or too. I think well give most of them to good friends or trade them at reptile expos. We don't have the room for lots and lots of racks and enclosures anyway. I was wondering how many eggs you'd say your females lay on average. I though the average was about 12, but wasn't sure. I thought for first time layers it was 8, but I didn't know if either of these numbers were accurate or if this was counting the numbers of eggs that survive. And lastly, do you know if there's a difference between a Sunglow and a hybino. They sounded fairly similar. Thanks again, I'm going to try and do more research on the genetics to figure out which morph I'll attempt breeding.
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Allee Toler
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The reason why geckos who look similar go for different prices is their line, and the person selling them. A new breeder obviously can't sell a gecko for $500. A breeder who's been around for a long time with a good rep can get away with selling one for a high price because of the quality of the breeder and the source. Prices of a gecko are affected in many areas... You mentioned yours has a yellow hue, but a big carrot tail. Many people don't like the yellow hue and would consider that a low quality tangerine, a brighter more vibrant orange body with a big carrot tail would be a great visual. Personally I think all SHTCTB's are fugly. I hate the color orange. With that being said I'm the only one out of everyone I've spoken to about leos that doesn't like orange on a gecko. Everyone seems to love orange on leos and I just don't get it. Other ways price is affected is by how new the genetics are, the genetic combination, how long it takes to make that visual, the breeder, the line, just about anything can affect a geckos' price.
Average eggs is a little hard to determine. Each female is different. Many people say first timers don't lay many fertiles. More often than not it's true, however, last year I had a first time female lay me 10 clutches (8 doubles, 2 singles), all but 2 eggs hatched. 16 babies from a first timer. Then I have a proven female, Claudia, who laid me 4 eggs her first season, 1 viable, and then her 2nd season lay me only 1 egg. Some will lay 3-4 clutches (groups of two), some will lay near 8 clutches. To answer your question determining the average is very difficult since many things come into play.
Sunglow vs Hybino is pretty weird... Sunglow was a name coined for a SHTCTB Tremper, then the first SHTCTB Bell was coined a Hybino (Hypo-Albino). They're the same thing genetically, just different albino strains. Now a days when purchasing one you'll need to ask them which strain it is specifically since many people are calling Trempers hybino's and bell's sunglows. The two are one in the same.
Average eggs is a little hard to determine. Each female is different. Many people say first timers don't lay many fertiles. More often than not it's true, however, last year I had a first time female lay me 10 clutches (8 doubles, 2 singles), all but 2 eggs hatched. 16 babies from a first timer. Then I have a proven female, Claudia, who laid me 4 eggs her first season, 1 viable, and then her 2nd season lay me only 1 egg. Some will lay 3-4 clutches (groups of two), some will lay near 8 clutches. To answer your question determining the average is very difficult since many things come into play.
Sunglow vs Hybino is pretty weird... Sunglow was a name coined for a SHTCTB Tremper, then the first SHTCTB Bell was coined a Hybino (Hypo-Albino). They're the same thing genetically, just different albino strains. Now a days when purchasing one you'll need to ask them which strain it is specifically since many people are calling Trempers hybino's and bell's sunglows. The two are one in the same.
I have had first-timers lay anywhere from 2 to 23 eggs (22 hatched). Interestingly, the geckos that laid huge numbers the first time have produced a lot less in subsequent years. My first season I bred 2 females to 1 male and ended up with a total of 13 hatchlings.
Aliza
Aliza
psychmylife
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On a side note, anyone know of a way to get the geckos in the mood? I have a couple that have been housed together now for a couple days and, while they get along okay, the female just isn't having it.
Marvin Gay? Luther Vandross? Barry White?
Marvin Gay? Luther Vandross? Barry White?
azkfxgecko
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Ya it would be cool but my male is still a good lookin stud, the females seem to like him 
If the female isn't ovulating, nothing's going to happen. Also, you don't know whether or not anything's happening when you're not watching. I had a very productive male that I never observed breeding or even tail rattling for the entire season (I keep my breeders together throughout the season). The best bet is to wait; it's very early in the season yet.
Aliza