cricket4u
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What happened? I thought you had everything. I guess you forgot 2 of the most important items? :lol: You don't want the cool side to exceed 77 degrees.
Leopard Gecko Bowser: ceramic heat emitter, night viewing bulb, setup ?s, & all
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What happened? I thought you had everything. I guess you forgot 2 of the most important items? :lol: You don't want the cool side to exceed 77 degrees.
Elizabeth Freer
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Unfortunately, not so much...like i said, hes very elusive! But he is checking everything out i believe...the food is in the middle of the cage, so hes at least gone that far.
Ya gotta remember leos are crepuscular ;-). As long as he has the proper ground and air temperatures from an UTH and an overhead dome (which spreads out the heat/light from above), he should be exploring soon. Two days is only a very short time.
If not, he is probably awaiting his waterfall!
Temps. on the warm side floor are between 89-94, the moist hide is about 87-90. The cool side is about 82-85 on the times ive checked. I still need to pick up a thermo gun to be more accurate, and i also want a thermostat. Overall im already about a grand in between him and his new place...so i need to replenish his funds a bit. Ill try to pick up those things this week.
Cool side air temps should be no warmer than 77F.
Know how quickly these supplies can add up! Thanks for doing your best for Bowser and keeping him on your Priority List.
Im thrilled he gobbled up those phoenix worms! After reading up on all the food choices, they seem to be the best and most balanced! Also easiest to maintain! I know a lot of geckos dont like them tho...thats unfortunate!
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Bowser
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update and pics!
update:
Ok, so it's been 3 days now, and Bowser is def. being more active! When I came home last night, he was chilling right in the front of the cage and actually let me observe him for a couple of minutes before I decided to walk away and leave him alone. He was moving around pretty comfortably from what it seemed. I also threw in another 13 phoenix worms in his dish, and just about 15-20 min. after, I got up to go to the bathroom and I saw him standing up on the edge of his bowl, 2 legs up on edge, other two on the ground, and he was eying the worms pretty good! This morning, needless to say, they were all gone again! :yahoo:
Here are a few pics I was able to snap on my phone last night when I saw him at the front of the cage (forgive the crappy quality):
One thing I'm unsure of is how many phoenix worms to actually feed him and how often. I've read with juveniles to feed them every night about a dozen worms or so or what have you, but I'm not positive. I've also read just a few dozen every few days. The phoenix worms I'm feeding him are small, so i may not even be feeding him enough. Should I just put a few dozen in the bowl and see how many he ends up eating?? They seem to be very smart critters, so that leads me to think they will only eat what they are hungry for. Is is true?
Thanks!!!
OH!!! And a funny moment; after viewing him, he decided to take a little cover and went into the warm side cave. I took that opportunity to take out the moist hide and re-moisten it for him. When I was done and went to put it back, Bowser was out of the cave and standing in front of where the entrance would be to his moist cave and I swear, he had a look on his face as he turned his head slightly towards me as to say "WHERE THE HELL DID IT GO!?" I literally laughed out loud to myself :crackup:. I just stood there (since I didn't wanna put my hands and arms into the cage with this boulder while he was right there...figured it could be a little traumatizing) and let him move out of the way...he slowly went back over to the warm cave and crawled in, then I put it back.
update:
Ok, so it's been 3 days now, and Bowser is def. being more active! When I came home last night, he was chilling right in the front of the cage and actually let me observe him for a couple of minutes before I decided to walk away and leave him alone. He was moving around pretty comfortably from what it seemed. I also threw in another 13 phoenix worms in his dish, and just about 15-20 min. after, I got up to go to the bathroom and I saw him standing up on the edge of his bowl, 2 legs up on edge, other two on the ground, and he was eying the worms pretty good! This morning, needless to say, they were all gone again! :yahoo:
Here are a few pics I was able to snap on my phone last night when I saw him at the front of the cage (forgive the crappy quality):
One thing I'm unsure of is how many phoenix worms to actually feed him and how often. I've read with juveniles to feed them every night about a dozen worms or so or what have you, but I'm not positive. I've also read just a few dozen every few days. The phoenix worms I'm feeding him are small, so i may not even be feeding him enough. Should I just put a few dozen in the bowl and see how many he ends up eating?? They seem to be very smart critters, so that leads me to think they will only eat what they are hungry for. Is is true?
Thanks!!!
OH!!! And a funny moment; after viewing him, he decided to take a little cover and went into the warm side cave. I took that opportunity to take out the moist hide and re-moisten it for him. When I was done and went to put it back, Bowser was out of the cave and standing in front of where the entrance would be to his moist cave and I swear, he had a look on his face as he turned his head slightly towards me as to say "WHERE THE HELL DID IT GO!?" I literally laughed out loud to myself :crackup:. I just stood there (since I didn't wanna put my hands and arms into the cage with this boulder while he was right there...figured it could be a little traumatizing) and let him move out of the way...he slowly went back over to the warm cave and crawled in, then I put it back.
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panthergecko
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Did you buy the small pheonix worms?
I bought 2 packs and it seems there to small for even monthlings.
Luckily I put them in dish for when they want them.
I also bought large and noticed they could eat 3-4 of them- the hatchlings/juveniles.
My oldest leo won't touch them.
I bought 2 packs and it seems there to small for even monthlings.
Luckily I put them in dish for when they want them.
I also bought large and noticed they could eat 3-4 of them- the hatchlings/juveniles.
My oldest leo won't touch them.
Bowser
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Yeah I got the small sample container of 150. I figured I'd be better off with smaller rather than too big to the point where he couldn't really eat them correctly. If I need to put in more worms, no biggie. They only ended up costing $10 after shipping, so it was worth the try. Next order I will def. get the medium, or maybe even the large. How come your oldest won't touch them? That's unfortunate because these worms seem to be the best in nutrition. Maybe your oldest is just accustomed to other things like crickets/mealies etc.?
panthergecko
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theyre high ihn calcium i assume it has something to do with that.
Bowser
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Thanks cricket!! I will do medium next time. But can you advise me on how many of the small worms I should feed him and how often?? He has eaten 32 worms combined in the last 2 days so far.
cricket4u
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Good appetite I see, great! I wish I could tell you, but every gecko handles different amounts. My geckos are all adults, therefore the phoenix worms are too small for their interest and so they will eat 1 or 2 and then give up. The older they get it appears they have trouble seeing the smaller items or some just don't think they are worth it. I would just offer as many as he will eat within maybe 15 minutes.
Bowser
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The only problem with feeding for duration is that he wont go and eat with me around. I have no idea if he takes 4 trips to the bowl within 3 hours, or he eats all the worms in 10 min. I will have to just monitor and take note of his habbits.
Heres another thing...i have never seen him in his cool hide, or that side of the cage for that matter. I also havent been able to find wear, or if hes been going to the bathroom...until now!!! HES POOPIN' IN HIS COOL HIDE!!!! lol
What i did was move the hide over so that the spot where hes been going is no longer IN the hide, its on the side between the hide and glass. About a 3 inch space
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Bowser
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Ok, i just came across my first issue. Bowser threw up!
I put about 32 worms in his bowl, and about an hour later i checked and they were all gone! I know the worms i got are small, but still, 32!? I took pics of the throw up and will post first thing in the morning, but it was clean...there was like a white/translucent glob of worm paste and then a bunch of worms still wiggling around! He swallowed most of them whole! Will he be alright?? How do i prevent this? Im thinking just feeding him a dozen at a time...obviously I cant put too many in at once. Could it be the worms r too small??? Or is it that hes consuming too much at once and just swallowing everything in his mouth, chewed or not? The first two feedings went well...they were also much smaller meals. I hope he's ok!!
I put about 32 worms in his bowl, and about an hour later i checked and they were all gone! I know the worms i got are small, but still, 32!? I took pics of the throw up and will post first thing in the morning, but it was clean...there was like a white/translucent glob of worm paste and then a bunch of worms still wiggling around! He swallowed most of them whole! Will he be alright?? How do i prevent this? Im thinking just feeding him a dozen at a time...obviously I cant put too many in at once. Could it be the worms r too small??? Or is it that hes consuming too much at once and just swallowing everything in his mouth, chewed or not? The first two feedings went well...they were also much smaller meals. I hope he's ok!!
cricket4u
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I am guessing he chose that spot because he does not feel very safe defecating in an open area yet. That would be funny if he follows the hide to where you moved it and goes in there again.:lol:
Since the phoenix worms don't need to be gutloaded, it's fine to just leave in a good amount for him to help himself for now. At least until he feels a bit more comfortable.
cricket4u
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Ok, i just came across my first issue. Bowser threw up!
I put about 32 worms in his bowl, and about an hour later i checked and they were all gone! I know the worms i got are small, but still, 32!? I took pics of the throw up and will post first thing in the morning, but it was clean...there was like a white/translucent glob of worm paste and then a bunch of worms still wiggling around! He swallowed most of them whole! Will he be alright?? How do i prevent this? Im thinking just feeding him a dozen at a time...obviously I cant put too many in at once. Could it be the worms r too small??? Or is it that hes consuming too much at once and just swallowing everything in his mouth, chewed or not? The first two feedings went well...they were also much smaller meals. I hope he's ok!!
He may have overindulged. I would skip at least a day of feeding to allow his stomach to settle down. Another reason I am not fond of leaving food in a dish.
panthergecko
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first time I got my geckos one ate too much and threw up. They learn from it and learn their limits, 2 of mine now know when to stop.
Bowser
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Thanks for the prompt responses guys!! I really appreciate it! I will wait a day before feeding again and only stick with a dozen worms or so. Now i can go to sleep comfortably knowing he is in no danger.
When i was a little kid, i used to LOVE mac n cheese, but i loved it so much i never quite chewed it before swallowing...that left me throwing up whole macoronis minutes after eating lol...like father like gecko???
When i was a little kid, i used to LOVE mac n cheese, but i loved it so much i never quite chewed it before swallowing...that left me throwing up whole macoronis minutes after eating lol...like father like gecko???
Elizabeth Freer
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Ok, i just came across my first issue. Bowser threw up!
I put about 32 worms in his bowl, and about an hour later i checked and they were all gone! I know the worms i got are small, but still, 32!? I took pics of the throw up and will post first thing in the morning, but it was clean...there was like a white/translucent glob of worm paste and then a bunch of worms still wiggling around! He swallowed most of them whole! Will he be alright?? How do i prevent this? Im thinking just feeding him a dozen at a time...obviously I cant put too many in at once. Could it be the worms r too small??? Or is it that hes consuming too much at once and just swallowing everything in his mouth, chewed or not? The first two feedings went well...they were also much smaller meals. I hope he's ok!!
I am happy to read that you and Bowser are becoming soulmates. Keep up the good work, Mike!
Bowser
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Thanks, Elizabeth! Did you see the pics I posted of Bowser?
Bowser has been doing a lot of roaming lately. It seems most times now when I get home home, he is already out and viewable. He eventually goes back into one of his caves when I'm there, though, as he is still unsure about me. But he likes to rotate between his moist hide (his absolute favorite sanctuary) and his standard warm hide. As I said in a previous post, he just poops in his cool hide lol. Is it normal for a leopard gecko to spend so much time in a moist hide?
cricket4u
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Just my observation throughout the years.
You are located in NJ which I am pretty sure the humidity has been dropping lately. Remember I told you they appreciate moderate amounts of humidity. What is the humidity in the enclosure?
Another possibility is he is using it as a way to cool down if you have not corrected the cool side?
Some geckos do not mind laying in the moisture for hours. Then you have the ones that want humidity, but are not fond of laying in wet materials. (my assumption of course based on what I see). These geckos will be seen moving in and out of the humidity hide often.
Bowser
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The overall humidity is fairly low...only about 20%. As far as the cool side temp, I moved the CHE much closer to the warm side (was in middle) and only turn it on when the temp starts to drop to mid 80's on warm side. So the cool side is much cooler. Last I checked, air temp was 75.