Leopard Gecko Suma - overweight?

cassicat4

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My leo Suma is a big girl. She's approximately 1.5 years old and weighs 84g.

She has huge bubbles/fat pockets/calcium pockets/goobs/whatever you want to call them - behind her front legs, and she also has smaller ones in front of her front legs.

I have no idea why she has them, but from everything I have read, I suspect it's due to excess protein, however, she is only fed every second day, primarily crickets (offered a few mealworms once every 2-3 weeks), and only eats about 5crickets at a sitting.

Her prey is dusted once a week with calcium with D3 and Reptivite. She also has a bowl of plain calcium in her enclosure.

She is in a 20 gallon enclosure, but is constantly moving around, exploring, following me when I'm walking around, etc. She's a very curious gecko.

I take her out for "exercise" on feeding days, where I let her run around on my bed or the floor for about 20-30 minutes. She's very active, and I find her armpit bubbles decrease in size after a bit of running around.

I've been contemplating moving her up to a 25-30 gallon enclosure as I feel she would benefit from the extra space.

I will post a couple pictures tonight (I can't access online photo albums from work). In your opinions, based on what I've reported, do you feel she's overweight? And if so, what should I do about it? I'm hesitant on feeding her every 3rd day as I feel she would get too hungry. I'm also not sure that I should reduce her intake to less than 5 crickets every second day. I do like the idea of giving her more space to hunt and explore though.

Another thing to note - she gained about 25g in a period of just a couple months. For the longest time - from about Feb to July, she held constant at 57-60g. Her tail was a bit (in my opinion) on the small side, even though I was feeding her crickets, mealworms, and butterworms in an attempt to fill her up. Starting in August I believe is when she started gaining weight and gaining it fast. I stopped feeding butterworms, and cut back significantly on the mealworms.

I'm only concerned because I know obesity in people and other animals can contribute to many health problems, and I don't want that for my gecko.

Thanks for any input.
 

cassicat4

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Pics!

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These pics were taken last night just after she finished her "exercise" so the bubbles are quite a bit smaller in pics than usual. The second pic shows just her left side, although the right looks the same.

Temps - ambient - currently 84F warm side, 76F cool side, basking spot is 92F.
 

cricket4u

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At least you mentioned they are going down. Are the temps steady (controlled by a thermostat)? What are you gutloading with? If I'm not mistaken at one point you were using UVB. Have you continued to use both, UVB and D3?
 
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cassicat4

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Yes, they don't stay the same size...they're very squishy, feel like they're almost full of air or a light liquid, and do get smaller after she's been running around.

Yes, the temps are controlled by thermostat, and the UTH is on a dimmer.

Both my crickets and worms are gutloaded with a mixture of oats, wheat bran, carrots, potatoes, and mixed greens.

You have a great memory! :) I only had the UVB on her for I'd say less than a month...I'd been monitoring her behavior quite a bit during that time, and the UVB seemed to bother her...she would spend a lot of time with her eyes half closed, and hiding in her one cool cave rather than sprawled out on the floor where she can see everything. I switched to an EnergySaver 9W incandescent light and that seemed much better for her. Since it's gotten cooler, I've recently switched out that light with a 50W daylight bulb to provide additional heat during the day (but no light at night as the temps don't go below 70F). So she's just being supplemented with D3, not UVB as well.

It must be something I'm doing...I know every gecko is different, but my male Leo (who turned 1 year in August) is housed in the exact same conditions (with different hides and decor, but arranged the same way) as my female, and offered food on the same schedule, and while he only weighs 70g, he's recently (i.e. in the last month) started developing these pockets as well. I am stumped...
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Cassi ~

Is Suma some giant morph? She does not appear overweight.

Can you post another picture showing the bubbles at max?

Increase your light dusting of the calcium with D3 to 2x weekly.

Is your tank a 20 gallon LONG---30 inches long?

Good to hear that you're doing crickets as the primary with a mealie thrown in now and then.

Discontinue feeding crickets potatoes. Heard something negative about that several months ago...but can't recall the details.

Edit: Does your Reptivite contain D3? Are you using Reptivite alone and not adding a separate calcium with D3 to the mix which might result in too much vitamin D3?
 
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Noah77

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I've read at some sites that these bubbles behind their arms are calcium/fat pockets. They can be due to over supplementing or shes just naturally chubby.
I don't believe there harmful as my female Leo has had one forever and shes nice and healthy. If you look up "Leopard gecko fat pockets" on google there will be plenty of information on this topic.
Hope this helps :)
 

cricket4u

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84 grams for a 1.5 year sound a bit high for a non giant morph, however at least at this angle she does not appear overweight. Take a picture of her from the side to make sure. What you are gutloading with concerns me as well. Look at the caresheet for suggestions.

Yes, the temps are controlled by thermostat, and the UTH is on a dimmer.


I'm confused? A dimmer for the UTH means it can increase or decrease with room temps.
 

Piranha72

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Hi cassi,
Two of my geckos have these, and I believe they are 'fat' stores like already mentioned. One has much bigger ones than the other, who is naturally a bit slimmer. I've put them both on a diet and increased the temperature of the warm side substrate to 31-34 C, as unfortunately it was a bit low due to a faulty thermostat. Thermostat replaced and temps are now consistently fine.

I now feed them just twice a week, and they eat 7-10 crickets (4ths). Calcium dusting once and multivits with D3 once. Calcium carbonate in viv at all times. Since the diet and heat correction, happily both are losing the 'bubbles' :) ...don't be alarmed if your gecko's 'bubbles' don't go down symmetrically, one of mine lost one and then the other, rather than both reducing together...and they're both fine now.

(Thank you also to cricket4u for the temperature info, if you remember I asked about this same problem a while ago) :)
 
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