Last ditch effort to save my Williamsi

Harvey

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Hello all williamsi keepers,

Ever since I got my williamsi, Maureen has been nothing but extremely helpful. She has given me a lot of advice and I have finished an 18x18x24 for my little girl with her help. The only reason I'm posting this is because its my last chance to save her. Sadly I have doubts that the gecko will ever make it into that cage. This week she has dropped weight dramatically, her hips, spine, and rips are prominent, though she is still alert and active. I have tried feeding her crickets, fruit flies, baby food, and Repashy. She has not touched anything at all and continues to get skinnier, I don't know if she can last another day. Her fecals now, are small though not bloody-they have never been bloody. She is cb but I got her form a somewhat shady store that breed her before she was ready, this drained her as she laid two clutches within a couple months. I have also been spraying a pedialyte water mixture to help with electrolights, it seemed to work for a while but then lost weight. The temps in the cage are overall 75 to 80 and a 90 basking. Humidity is 60/70%.

On monday at 8:00 am I placed a small tupperware container containing crickets and flies dusted with repti-vite. When I can back home at 3:00 pm. she was in the container with all the bugs swarmed around her. I looked to see if there were any bites, and there weren't. The cups sides were cluttered with dusty gecko foot prints. I believe she hopped in to catch a bug and when she did the vitamins covered her feet and she couldn't get back out. When I let her out it took her a couple of hours to regain the stick but this is when she stopped eating. Could this have traumatized, making her afraid of the dish and/or food. I have also released some food in the cage and still she has not eaten it. Please, if anyone knows what I need to do, I WILL DO IT! I don't know what else I can do and I just spent a couple 100 on a tank.

Thank you,
Sam
 

Harvey

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have you tried taking her to an exotic vet?

I could take her to my regular reptile vet but honestly I think that would only tress her out even more. My rep vet, very little here in Denver, doesn't know much about day geckos-I asked him when I had a check up on one of my cordylids. He basically said the same thing, that he thought it would only tress her out and plus he wouldn't know what to look for.
 

Harvey

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he may be able to hook you up with something to syringe-feed, and with fluid support.

This is true, Thank you for your help:) I'll contact him to see if he can try anything else. Do you maybe know why this has happened to her? Do you think it was because of the food dish incident, I could just be paranoid then....
 

LLDG

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If you were anywhere near Birmingham AL I could help. - crap. just figured out you are in colorado.

I can advise to skip the live insects. Mix chicken baby food with fruit baby food with a calcium/vitamin D3 mix in. Using a toothpick, tap bits of the food along her lips so she can lap it up. I would do this seven or eight times daily. This is a reduced food that is filled with good sustenance. Don't over do vitamins at this point. She is in need of energy filled food and calcium.

Skip the pedialyte. She need hydration not vitamin water.
 
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Harvey

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Thank you LLDG, I will try the baby food mixture. So far she doesn't seem to be interested in Repashy. I did leave a 6 or so crickets in a small container in her cage last night and this morning only 2 were left. I looked through the cage to see if I could find some that jumped out and didn't!
 

Harvey

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Huh, this is weird... My williamsi female seems to be fine now... She only has the slightest hip bone show and a bigger tail base then before. She has done this twice before, just this time more severe. It seems she goes on "fasts" or something. My feeding schedule is the exact same it has always been. Until this big episode, I would feed her every other day with a couple crickets and some fruit flies. Dusted. Fruit baby food mixed with calcium once a week, though she never touches it if it doesn't move. So I'm at a loss for words now... I'm waiting from my isopods and springtail cultures progress a bit more before feeding off. LLDG, have you ever recorded this in their behavior? I couldn't see why any animal would do this. I don't know where I would be falling short either, I need to figure out where the problem is so this doesn't happen again.
 

LLDG

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L. williamsi are so small and can store so little reserves in their bodies that I choose to feed mine every day.

For hatchings, gravid females and juveniles, every day feeding is a huge MUST. I have developed newer ways to keep them fed and I believe only this extra effort (over what I do normally for hatchling Phelsuma) is why my williamsi hatchlings thrive.

If ever any of my geckos have a crisis, I am all over figuring out why it happen and what I should adjust to keep it from happening again.

If williamsi keep have health crisis, then a keeper may not be keeping up with something. Husbandry needs adjusting, diet, environment, etc.

Figure it out. Make adjustment. Go over the fundamentals. Tweak environment.
 

hexentanz

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L. williamsi are so small and can store so little reserves in their bodies that I choose to feed mine every day.

For hatchings, gravid females and juveniles, every day feeding is a huge MUST. I have developed newer ways to keep them fed and I believe only this extra effort (over what I do normally for hatchling Phelsuma) is why my williamsi hatchlings thrive.

I along with many others feed Lygodactylus, 3 times a week (some 2) and have had no issue doing so. I can speak for myself here when I say that since 2009, I have only lost 4 williamsi out of close to 70 and they were not related to food issues, but me just starting out with Lygodactylus, or not getting them from the parents in time.

I used to feed mine everyday and strongly believed this was needed and even with small amounts I saw fat geckos or ones which just refused to hunt because the food came to them so easily.

Lygodactylus are bottomless pits who will over eat if given the chance.
 

Harvey

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Thank you LLDG and Maureen for your helpful opinions. I will a try a variety of husbandry ideas to insure I have tried every last option with her. She cannot climb on glass and seems to slip so it looks like her last shed didn't get everything off her feet. I've amped up the humidity, so I hope that helps.
 

Harvey

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do you have any updates on her? how is she doing now?

She is much better! It seems that she has "used up" the remaining retained sperm and is no longer laying eggs! She is extremely green and very active to hopefully she will stay that way.

What really improved her health:

Wide range of food, I use: Crickets, Dubia, Woodlice, Fruit flies, springtails, and wax worms (on occasions).

Temp ranges. The nano I had her in did not give her the variety she needed. Glad I got the 18x18x24 set up sooner than I thought!:D

And a very good UVB light! I use an arcadia and it's one of the best UVB lights I've owned!
 

MdngtRain

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I'm so glad she is doing better! Were any of the eggs fertile? I'm glad she stopped laying finally though. :)
 

Harvey

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We are in Denver too and just got some Williams.

That's very good news! How old are they? How many? Always nice to here from more lygo keepers in Denver.

Update - She is completely problem free now and I have not had any problems with her for a very long while. I'm looking ito adding a male, though somewhat nervous for the egg laying. I'm not sure if she could go through another round of that. Any ideas?

MdngtRain - Thanks, me too;) I assume most were. One I did leave in for a while to see if she would eat it, I finally pinched it and inside was a little gecko fetus. It destroyed me...
 

MdngtRain

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I liked that post until the last sentence. sorry about the loss of the little one. Glad the female is doing better though :) Hope she keeps being strong and does well for you with mating :)
 
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