MushuSpyro
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RSPCA have all the evidence, not sure what's happening now.. The inspector said he's going to keep me updated though so as soon as I know anything I'll let you know
Help, neglected leo
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Embrace Calamity
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If you don't hear anything after a while, I'd go ahead and call just to give a little push. It's not uncommon for law enforcement to get ample evidence of animal neglect and ignore it until someone forces them to do something (very unfortunately). Hopefully justice will be served though.
~Maggot
Elizabeth Freer
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When was VetArk's Nutrobal first introduced?
MushuSpyro
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Update:
Cynder has stopped eating again. She's also become very lethargic and hasn't moved from one spot for the past few days, apart from when I give her liquid calcium..
Cynder has stopped eating again. She's also become very lethargic and hasn't moved from one spot for the past few days, apart from when I give her liquid calcium..
Elizabeth Freer
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:-( Will she accept water by mouth?
Were you able to get something like Zoo Med's Reptisun 5.0 UVB tube fluorescent?
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MushuSpyro
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No :l I can just about get her to take her liquid Calcium 
and yes I did, but she just stays in her cave.. won't come out, won't eat, won't move :l
and yes I did, but she just stays in her cave.. won't come out, won't eat, won't move :l
Elizabeth Freer
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No :l I can just about get her to take her liquid Calcium
and yes I did, but she just stays in her cave.. won't come out, won't eat, won't move :l
This is pretty sad. You got her for your birthday 11 days ago.
Thing is it is recommended to take calcium WITH food. Can you get Oxbow's Carnivore Care, a powdered all-in-one supplement, from your vet or online? The leo should be hydrated prior to commencing the Carnivore Care! I wonder whether she will keep food down?
Have you tried any soaks in tepid water for maybe 15 minutes? Soaking is stressful too.
Keeping my fingers crossed......
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MushuSpyro
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She has Calci dust on her food always. The vet gave me liquid calcium to give her once a day. I will get the Oxbow's carnivore care too, will buy it online. She has a bath daily to help with Hydration, as she's no longer drinking water. I soak her for about 5 mins as she really doesn't like it much. She's still pooping, but hasn't eaten.
Elizabeth Freer
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Is her humid hide (warm end) always moist? Might leave a large water dish in the tank to help with humidity if necessary.
MushuSpyro
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Yes, I check every hour to make sure..
I'll try adding a bigger water dish too.
I'll try adding a bigger water dish too.
Embrace Calamity
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Sometimes the problem with liquid calcium is that it doesn't contain any vitamin D3, which is what allows their bodies to use the calcium. I'd check and see if it does. If not, it might be worthwhile to add a UVB light (I'm not sure if that's been suggested or not). This will stimulate her body's production of vitamin D3. Carnivore Care has some, but not nearly as much the common supplements used.
~Maggot
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Elizabeth Freer
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Calcium deficiency may only be part of the diagnosis. There is some question on how advanced Cynder's MBD is.
What are your feelings about the second vet Cynder visited? Was this person an exotics (reptile) vet? How much experience had she had with leopard geckos?
Cynder really needs to be evaluated by a good reptile vet, perhaps once again. Online assistance is no substitute for hands-on care. Improper diagnostics can do more harm than good.
Can you please share a picture of Cynder taken today as well as the current setup of her tank?
What are your feelings about the second vet Cynder visited? Was this person an exotics (reptile) vet? How much experience had she had with leopard geckos?
Cynder really needs to be evaluated by a good reptile vet, perhaps once again. Online assistance is no substitute for hands-on care. Improper diagnostics can do more harm than good.
Can you please share a picture of Cynder taken today as well as the current setup of her tank?
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MushuSpyro
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I liked he second vet, she seemed to actually know what she was talking about. She's had a lot of experience with Leo's and other reptiles. She is a Reptile Vet.
I'll seek out a third vet, even if that means a 2 hour car journey, anything for Cynder.
My phone is broken, so I might have to take a pic with my laptop, not sure how good the quality will be though.
I'll seek out a third vet, even if that means a 2 hour car journey, anything for Cynder.
My phone is broken, so I might have to take a pic with my laptop, not sure how good the quality will be though.
Elizabeth Freer
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skin issues
Thank you for your feedback on the second vet and her qualifications. Did she comment about Cynder's skin issues? Are they still present? I don't know whether to suggest a follow-up with her or another opinion.
Seems like she needs sources for both vitamin D3 and vitamin A acetate.
All we can judge from at this end of the line is by your feedback to us, pictures, and Cynder's behavior.
I wonder whether there is some infection in her blood as well as the MBD?
If there are some feces, maybe you could get a fecal float and direct smear fecals.
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MushuSpyro
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Cynder shed the day after the vets, and her skin is looking better. (the vet thought it was shed, and said MBD can effect the way the skin looks before shed, that or just calcium deficiency)
However, there seems to be another problem...
Cynder keeps gasping for air, and then shakes violently, and then just (looks like) collapses.. She did well the first few days after the vet trip, was taking her meds (liquid calcium). But now she's refusing to eat, to move, to drink, to do anything.
She also keeps flipping onto her back, which I've heard on several occasions is a bad sign.
Also, when she's gasping for air, she opens her mouth really wide, and screaches/cries. And it's not when she can see me either, so I know it's not because I've spooked her..
She's just gone completely down hill, and I've tried everything the vet and you guys suggested.
I don't want her to suffer anymore. But it's cruel to keep her alive because I love her. I have to put her first. What do you guys think? Should I continue to treat her in the hope she gets better? or should I give her peace..?
She really isn't enjoying life..
However, there seems to be another problem...
Cynder keeps gasping for air, and then shakes violently, and then just (looks like) collapses.. She did well the first few days after the vet trip, was taking her meds (liquid calcium). But now she's refusing to eat, to move, to drink, to do anything.
She also keeps flipping onto her back, which I've heard on several occasions is a bad sign.
Also, when she's gasping for air, she opens her mouth really wide, and screaches/cries. And it's not when she can see me either, so I know it's not because I've spooked her..
She's just gone completely down hill, and I've tried everything the vet and you guys suggested.
I don't want her to suffer anymore. But it's cruel to keep her alive because I love her. I have to put her first. What do you guys think? Should I continue to treat her in the hope she gets better? or should I give her peace..?
She really isn't enjoying life..
Elizabeth Freer
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You've done so much for Cynder in her two brief weeks with you. From your description she sounds in really poor shape.
Here's sending you strength to make a tough decision.
My peace to you both.
Here's sending you strength to make a tough decision.
My peace to you both.
cricket4u
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She has continued to decline due to lack of proper treatment. It's obvious this gecko has more than calcium deficiency. Advanced MBD is not treated with liquid calcium alone. Diagnostics are very important in order to treat the right condition and it should all have been done right away. Sadly, it may be too late at this point.
Did you ever take a stool sample?MushuSpyro
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I have her booked in for a couple of vet trips this month (stool sample, check up, weight) , I had to get the money together as I didn't have it all at once (I usually keep money aside for vets but I needed to spend more on her care).
MushuSpyro
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Thank you all for the support and help, I shall let you know what happens x