Repashy Calcium Plus ICB in 24/7 cal dish?

GeckoLovr

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I was wondering if this is safe or not? Keeping Repashy Calcium Plus ICB in my leopard gecko cages 24/7. As their calcium dish. The one care sheet I read said yes, then another one I read said it might be a bad idea.

I do not provide UVB lighting, so the only D3 they'll be getting is from this calcium powder.

Thank you for any help!
 

Embrace Calamity

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I wouldn't personally. The idea behind keeping plain calcium in the enclosure 24/7 is that they can access it if they need to. With any complete supplement (including Repashy), there's more than just one ingredient, so by attempting to take one thing (such as calcium), they'd be taking everything. If you really want to leave something in the enclosure (and that's not something everyone does), I'd stick with pure calcium. That's just my opinion though. I do know one breeder who leaves Repashy in the enclosure and has never had issues with it, but then there are also breeders who wouldn't ever leave anything in the enclosure.

~Maggot
 

GeckoLovr

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Ok. So then it looks like Repashy SuperCal NoD is the PURE calcium carbonate, right? Or am I reading this stuff wrong?
 

Elizabeth Freer

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I believe in only leaving a very small bottle cap of plain calcium carbonate in the enclosure 24/7 for backup only as stated by EC above. It's usage should be monitored. If your gecko is making excessive use of that plain calcium carbonate, something else might be amiss.
 

GeckoLovr

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They aren't, but I have always been under the assumption that you should always leave the bottle cap in there. Leo's will self-regulate their calcium intake if it should be low. I've read that on many care sheets.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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I believe in only leaving a very small bottle cap of plain calcium carbonate in the enclosure 24/7 for backup only as stated by EC above. It's usage should be monitored. If your gecko is making excessive use of that plain calcium carbonate, something else might be amiss.

They aren't, but I have always been under the assumption that you should always leave the bottle cap in there. Leo's will self-regulate their calcium intake if it should be low. I've read that on many care sheets.

Yes, I was also under that impression until recently. Here's the relevant thread: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...-health-issues-setup-question.html#post387135

Check out post #48 in those posts immediately following the Leopard Gecko Caresheet linked below in my signature.
 
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Embrace Calamity

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They aren't, but I have always been under the assumption that you should always leave the bottle cap in there. Leo's will self-regulate their calcium intake if it should be low. I've read that on many care sheets.
It doesn't seem that anyone can come to an agreement on that fact (like many things in the reptile community). Too much calcium (or anything) is bad, though I'm not sure if there's ever been an instance where a properly cared for gecko overdosed itself on calcium. Honestly, unless you're breeding, I doubt it's necessary anyway, so it's up to you.

~Maggot
 

cricket4u

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This really bothers and I just have to speak my mind. Calcium should not be taken without food, therefore should not be sitting in the enclosure at all times. Like I mentioned before I put a small amount in a dish right before feeding the crickets because I use high calcium cricket food and do not dust. At least not the crickets and not very often.

Elizabeth,

I know your fear is MBD, however the potential harm it can cause is starting to outweigh the risk of MBD in my mind. There's really no sense in risking one problem for another. If they're lacking calcium the keeper will begin to notice signs and all they have to do is increase the frequency of dusting or correct the diet as needed. Just so that you understand, the calcium alone is really not preventing MBD.


Embrace~ the fear is not toxicity, but a ton of other problems.
 
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Embrace Calamity

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Embrace~ the fear is not toxicity, but a ton of other problems.
I never said it was? I know it's not. I said "overdose," which simply means an excessive dose - which can then result in toxicity or other problems. Do you know of a gecko ever having intentionally ingested calcium when they didn't need it?

~Maggot
 

cricket4u

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I never said it was? I know it's not. I said "overdose," which simply means an excessive dose - which can then result in toxicity or other problems. Do you know of a gecko ever having intentionally ingested calcium when they didn't need it?

~Maggot

It's not that either. It will be unbalanced if taken alone leading to many problems such as constipation, reduction of stomach acid= difficulty digesting, interfere with other nutrients and so on. They can sense they need calcium, however not quantity. The only thing this is doing is masking the problems in the diet. Removing it will help you realize there's a problem which needs to be corrected much sooner.

Elizabeth ~I think it's time for people to start doing things the right way. They have to work at providing a balanced diet. I just think it's best for everyone to decide on their own.
 
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Embrace Calamity

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It's not that either. It will be unbalanced if taken alone leading to many problems such as constipation, reduction of stomach acid= difficulty digesting, interfere with other nutrients and so on. They can sense they need calcium, however not quantity. The only thing this is doing is masking the problems in the diet. Removing it will help you realize there's a problem which needs to be corrected much sooner.
Yes, due to excess calcium. I'm curious: Do you have any proof that they can't determine how much they need? Or has this ever happened? I get the theory behind the threat and am not dismissing it, but I'm just wondering if it's ever actually been documented in any way. I know many other animals are allowed free access to nutrients without issue, so I'm wondering if it's different for reptiles (and would be interested why it is such).

~Maggot
 

cricket4u

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Yes, due to excess calcium. I'm curious: Do you have any proof that they can't determine how much they need? Or has this ever happened? I get the theory behind the threat and am not dismissing it, but I'm just wondering if it's ever actually been documented in any way. I know many other animals are allowed free access to nutrients without issue, so I'm wondering if it's different for reptiles (and would be interested why it is such).

~Maggot

I'm not being smart, but they can't count concentration. Has there been an actual study, no, but years of observation teaches you a lot. If they could, there would not have been cases of overdose with d3. They would simply spit the insect out the way they do if the MVI taste nasty and wait for the calcium to fall off. However, sometimes if the calcium is making them feel sick (I'm assuming digestion wise) they will begin to refuse dusted insects. Read post #16

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...iving-vitamins-calcium-w-d3-2.html#post393011
 

Embrace Calamity

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I'm not being smart, but they can't count concentration. Has there been an actual study, no, but years of observation teaches you a lot. If they could, there would not have been cases of overdose with d3. They would simply spit the insect out the way they do if the MVI taste nasty and wait for the calcium to fall off. However, sometimes if the calcium is making them feel sick (I'm assuming digestion wise) they will begin to refuse dusted insects. Read post #16

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...iving-vitamins-calcium-w-d3-2.html#post393011
I'm not being smart here either, but you stated in that post that the geckos knew they were taking in too much calcium and refused the entire food dusted with it...so that kind of defeats your argument itself.

~Maggot
 

cricket4u

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I'm not being smart here either, but you stated in that post that the geckos knew they were taking in too much calcium and refused the entire food dusted with it...so that kind of defeats your argument itself.

~Maggot

:lol: I knew you would say that next after I took another look at what I wrote in that link. I realized I left out some info. I said, I'll just wait till she asks tomorrow.

The people whose gecko started refusing the dusted geckos, contacted me concerned about other symptoms. Delayed bowel movements and I'm sure this will ring a bell. The gecko sort of pacing in the poop corner, but does not have a bowel movement. Another complain was slight changes of behavior which most do not notice, such as laying in places out of the ordinary with their eyes closed and/or head slightly looking up(sign of discomfort). It was after these signs which I asked about calcium and they mentioned that the gecko was refusing insects dusted with plain calcium.

So therefore, they only recognized a problem due to discomfort. If they were capable of calculating quantity, they would have avoided the calcium to begin with.

Example: You eat an food item which is contaminated with salmonella. You will not notice and eat it. It isn't till you feel sick that you realized something was wrong with it. The problem with excess calcium is, it can do harm and not always cause the stomach discomfort which warns you.
 
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