For me, the leopard gecko is the pinnacle of having gone too far. It's almost impossible at this point to find a true, wild type leopard gecko that has a true family history of having ZERO morphed genetics in it. I am one of the few breeders that still works to keep true, unmolested leopard geckos in the hobby. And, if by "domesticated" you mean an animal that is far weaker, has far more health and feeding issues, and shows none of the traits of the animal that it truly is...then I guess we've achieved that. But I don't think it's a positive thing. That's just my opinion though. I think it's sad that people have lost sight of the beauty of the natural state and the natural behaviors of the species.
As for tokays, hopefully we aren't walking down the same road. But I fear that we are. Every day I see more and more people talking about "taming" their tokay. And I see more people jumping in to try and breed the morphs simply to try to cash in. It makes my stomach churn. At this point we're able to get plenty of wild caught animals to keep fresh bloodlines going. But if imports were to dry up like they did with leos, it wouldn't be all that long before tokays might suffer the same fate.
Domestication does not just result in animals that are weaker and have more health issues. You sound like you are referring to animals that have been domesticated and raised for food, ie. chickens and turkeys.
Take a look at the domestication of some other species such as horses, dogs and cows. How about a thoroughbred like Secretariat. That would be domestication at it's finest. I don't think you would find anybody calling Secretariat a weakling and yet the horse still exhibits all of the characteristics of it's wild counterparts.
Another advantage to domestication is that it does take pressure off of the wild populations.
Selective breeding is the answer.
No, what I'm referring to is leopard geckos. They have not been domesticated, they have simply been severally over bred which has weakend the species greatly. I work with true wild type leos that have not been line bred and have zero morphed genetics in them at all and they are a completely different animal than all what is generally available on todays market. I've been around since before there were leopard gecko morphs, so I've seen the awful progression they've made over the years. Inbreeding does not equal domestication. Inbreeding equates to poor genetics.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some Scientific proof that most all Morph Leo's that are here today came from breeding Leo's with their different sub specie's or other Eu. specie's. I remember reading that some DNA and Gene test's were done on today's Leo's that proved that. So if that is the case, today's morph's are Hybrid's, not true Leo's, and these Hybrid's have some pretty dirty blood with multiple Eu. sub/species in them. So if that is the case, than there is a BIG difference between Morph Leo's and Wild Type Leo's.
Well I have to ask how do you still consider it a Leo, if it indeed a hybrid with at least 2 or 3 Sub/specie's in it's blood?
And if it is a proven Hybrid marketing as a True Leo, would be bad stuff if you knew it was Hybrid and other's didn't.
I would say a lot in the Herp industry has gone too far, but with morph's..I feel once all import's stop coming in, all we are going to have are morph's for certain herp's, some of these morph's will have defect's like the Spider Wobble,ect, and you wont be able to find a Wild Type Blood line, and you kind of loose the true nature of the herp after so much selective breeding is done. I mean you may get a Het that look's like a Wild Type, but that Het is still going to have bad gene's. Can you tell me 3 people that breed Normal ball python's? And I do not breeding a Normal with a pastel and getting half normal's and half pastel's. Like thinking about it, it's hard to find certain herp's that are Breed for Wild Type blood, when there is sooo many morph's for that certain herp, but unless people really care, they just follow the money, or follow it because it's "cool".
OHHHHHH!!! I completely forgot about the Famous "Kool-Aid" Leo "morph" Which is pretty much a Leo dipped in Red kool-Aid to tint the entire Leo Red, That is just insane!