Daughter Brought Home Gecko Without Researching First!

Jennifer1

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My teenage daughter came home with a leopard gecko she bought on impulse yesterday. I could strangle her because she did no research on it before hand, and just relied on the Petsmart employee to tell her what she needed & how to care for it (shudder).

So, I have tried to do some research myself because I don't want the poor thing to die, but my time is very limited as I also have a very sick cat to deal with. Everything I have read has me very confused about the proper way to light & heat the habitat, but I'm pretty sure what she has is not right.

They sold her this Zilla brand "Basic Desert Kit" that came with a 10gal terrarium, screen, 2-5" dome lights, 1 50W white incandescent bulb, 50W black incandescent bulb, liner, and cheap temp & humidity gauge, cave, & water dish.

I know she will have to upgrade to a larger tank if the gecko lives long enough, but is this size good enough for the first year? I am mostly concerned about the lighting/heating. She has one light on each side of the tank was told to have the white light on all day, and the black light on at night. I wonder if this is right? The temperature guage is stuck on the back wall, right in the center and reads only 70 degrees F (30% humidity), which is the ambient temp in the room, so it seems like the light is not providing much heat. I told her to go buy an under-tank heating pad after school today, and thermometers that can read the temp on each side, close to the surface.

Any advice on heating/lighting specifics would be greatly appreciated (or anything else for that matter)! Will adding the UTH be enough, or do we need different lights? I have only had cats & gerbils, so I know nothing at all about keeping reptiles. She gave him 3 crickets last night, which he promptly ate, and he pooped sometime during the night. He has just been hiding in the deepest corner of his cave all day though. I told her she went about this all backwards, that she should have researched & set up the habitat and made sure the temp was correct & stable first!
 

lainezor

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make sure you have a moist hide and give it more crickets, a gecko that young needs to be fed a lot of crickets everyday
 

Jennifer1

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We did try to fashion a moist hide, but I don't think it is opaque enough so we will get something better for that, too. About how many crickets or mealworms should we expect it to eat?

Is it normal for them to just hide in the cave all day like that? If it wasn't warm enough, would it figure out to get out & get under the light?

I am so mad at her for doing this! She ended up spending a lot of money on stuff that is all wrong, and I really don't have time to deal with it, but I can't stand to see anything suffer, either. If she wouldv'e done some basic research first she would have known to get a larger tank, 3 smaller caves rather than 1 big one, and the right stuff to monitor & maintain the right temp. Teenagers....
 

matt0101

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5 crickets more or less. Some days my juvie ate 3, other days he'd eat 7. he is growing like a weed. make sure to get calcium+d3 to dust your insects with, and make sure to feed your insects with proper gutload. you should have 2 dry hides and a moist hide. the care sheet posted above is an excellent starting point. I'll link it for you again:

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...-demo-video-4-jan-2013-update.html#post302242

thanks for being responsible, it's appreciated. ;-)
 

Jennifer1

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Sooo aggrevated with stupid PetSmart. They had none of the supplies I sent her to get! No UTH, no thermostat, no digital thermometer with probe, no smaller hides, no calcium & vitamin dusts. All she came home with were mealworms and some vitamin spray. I can't believe they sell these animals, but not the proper supplies for them! So I guess we are going to have to order online and try to make due until they get here and hope he lasts that long.

I have read, and re-read, the care sheet everyone has mentioned, and several other posts about heating and lighting, but I'm still confused about what we really need. I was really hoping to get some accurate tempature readings tonight. If she were starting from scratch I would tell her to get a 20 gal tank and ceramic heater & UTH with thermostats, but now she's spent all this money on this stupid kit we are trying to work with what we have.

But he ate well again tonight; he scarfed down 7 or 8 mealworms in about 10 minutes. He is a good little hunter. So I hope that is a sign that he isn't too stressed?? Of course we don't really know the sex, but we call it a "he" and his name is Randall, after the character in Monsters, Inc.
 

Jstoker1238

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Make sure the substrate is not sand, a lot of the starter kits come with sand. This is very bad for young Gecko's because they run the risk of ingesting the sand on accident, which causes impaction. Leopard Geckos, especially young ones may try to bite their food, miss completely (they have poor eye sight) and ingest the sand. This could be fatal. Instead of the sand, use a paper towel. Works perfectly, and makes clean up extremely easy.

The gecko needs one heated side, and one cool side. So if you use the lamps and bulbs provided in the kit, keep them on one side of the tank. Use the day light during the day obviously. . and use the other at night, but keep them on the same side.

The gecko needs three hides. The moist hide, which you should keep on the heated side, the warm hide which you can place some where in the middle of the tank, and the cool hide which should be on the non heated side. Also keep your water dish on the cool side as well as the heat will evaporate the water.
On the warm side you are looking for temps around 85-88 degrees. I would measure the temp near the ground as that's where the gecko will be. If you are too Cool, you can upgrade the bulbs to 60w instead of the 50w. If too warm, I would recommend a thermostat on the Under Tank heating pad so you can control the temperature. Those under tank heaters can sometimes become too hot.

The 10 gallon tank will be okay for the gecko if it's as small as you mentioned. Don't be surprised if the gecko does stay in it's hide and/or act skittish for a few weeks. Generally a new gecko can take up to two weeks to get used to it's habitat. Most people do not disturb the gecko for 3-5 days after it's been placed in its new environment. It will eventually get used to you by recognizing that you bring it food. . .so be patient, and it will slowly start to warm up to you.

As far as feeding, you can give it as many crickets as it can eat within 20 minutes. .or you can let it eat until it's had it's fill. If it eats too much, it is no big deal, it will throw up what it can't store, and will learn it's lesson. All in all, leopard geckos are pretty easy to maintain once you have the temperatures figured out. They aren't gong to die straight away if the temps aren't exactly correct either. . as long as it's not extremely too hot or cold, it should be fine. Hope this helps, I started with the same kit.
 

Jennifer1

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Which parts are you confused about?

Whether the incandescent light is okay, or does she really have to get a ceramic heat emitter. Some people say they use lights with no problem, other sources say it causes stress. And if she does get a ceramic, what size and can it work it the same fixture, or does it need a different one? If I could see them in a store I could figure it all out, but there just isn't enough info when ordering online if you aren't at all familiar with this stuff. I just hate for her to have completely wasted the money on this stuff she already got and have to spend another $100 on more.

I really wish we could have gotten a good thermometer & a UTH today....

Oh, and to jstoker, no, thankfully it did not come with sand. It came with a liner, which I know is not ideal but we figure it can do for now since it's already in so we don't have to disturb Randall. When it's time to clean, then she will replace it with paper towels.

Thanks for all the help!
 
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cricket4u

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Whether the incandescent light is okay

This would be fine in a longer enclosure with secure hides, but not a 10 gallon. It would be best to purchase a longer enclosure as soon as possible in order to provide a proper temp gradient.
 

librarychick

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I'm glad you're stepping up to help the baby out! How old is your daughter? if she's under 18 the store should not have sold her the gecko at all (it's their policy...and I'm pretty sure the law).

PetSmart does have UTHs, you may have to say 'under tank heater' since how knowledgeable the staff is varies WIDELY. If none of them own reptiles, and even if they do...*sigh*, they my not know what a UTH is.

I agree that you'll need a bigger tank, but you can wait until about 6-9 months. A 20 gal long would be the smallest I'd put a leo in, but you can use it for the rest of it's life.

They may only have digital thermometers without a probe, that is fine too. You just set the whole thing in the enclosure and move it to get readings of different areas.

As far as hides go...TBH they don't need to be special 'reptile hides'. Duke's favorite hide is two tiles I propped up against the glass at the back of his tank. As long as the gecko feels hidden and secure it'll work. It doesn't need to be fancy. You can go to the dollar store and buy ziploc containers, then cut holes in them and, if you feel fancy, use the felt mat that came with the kit to cover the hide. Tada!

In the past I have used:
toilet paper tubes (my baby gecko LOVED these when she was tiny)
ziploc containers with an entrance cut in
rocks leaned against the wall of the tank (then held securely in place with another rock...no wiggling allowed!)
plastic plants hung low to the floor
tiles propped against the glass

It doesn't matter what it is, as long as the gecko feels secure. Once your daughter has saved up a bit she can go buy a big tank and fancy hides, but for now it doesn't need to look appealing to us. The gecko honestly doesn't care, lol.

You can also go to your local home reno store and buy tiles for the bottom of the tank if you like. As long as they are 'natural stone' or LOOK natural and aren't plastic they'll work great. None of the shiny ones! Tile will also help with your heat gradient in the tank, since it spreads the heat out and will gradually cool once the day light is turned out.

I've found a standard incandescent bulb gets plenty hot enough to heat a tank that size, so until you can find a UTH you should be ok. I actually have to turn the lights off in Duke's tank during the summer. He does still have his UTH, but with both UTH and light it gets too hot.
 

Jennifer1

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I'm glad you're stepping up to help the baby out! How old is your daughter? if she's under 18 the store should not have sold her the gecko at all (it's their policy...and I'm pretty sure the law).

PetSmart does have UTHs, you may have to say 'under tank heater' since how knowledgeable the staff is varies WIDELY. If none of them own reptiles, and even if they do...*sigh*, they my not know what a UTH is.

She just turned 18. This was one of her first acts to prove she can do what she wants now. I reminded her that it is still my house and I'd better not find even one loose cricket in my house either, and I better not hear them. She also didn't consider that she will be leaving for college in 9 months & they don't allow pets in the dorms. So who's going to be stuck taking care of this guy then?

I know PetSmart carries all that stuff on-line, but not in the stores here. Our PetSmart & Petco stores both suck here and have hardly anything; I don't waste my time going there anymore. I can find a better selection of cat & dog stuff at Wal-Mart! My vet told me about another local pet store that he thinks might have a better selection of reptile stuff so I will call & check with them.
 

Jennifer1

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Here's a picture of Randall (named after the Monsters, Inc. character). She didn't think to ask them how old he was. I haven't tried to get a weight, but he is about 4-1/2" long from nose to tail and still has juvenile markings. He is a pretty good hunter already. Any guesses as to approximate age?

Randall1cropped.jpg
 

cricket4u

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What an adorable leo you have there. He makes the water dish look enormous. Just make sure not to put much water in because he can drown. Perhaps a smaller water dish in the future would be best. My guess would be around 3-4 months.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Here's a picture of Randall (named after the Monsters, Inc. character). She didn't think to ask them how old he was. I haven't tried to get a weight, but he is about 4-1/2" long from nose to tail and still has juvenile markings. He is a pretty good hunter already. Any guesses as to approximate age?

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Welcome to GU, Randall! Nice to meet you. You ARE a cutie.
 

Jennifer1

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What an adorable leo you have there. He makes the water dish look enormous. Just make sure not to put much water in because he can drown. Perhaps a smaller water dish in the future would be best. My guess would be around 3-4 months.

I had her take the water dish out the first day and replace it with a bottle cap. She only had a very shallow amount in it, but it was so big & took up too much space that he really needed to set up a humid hide. He does not seem too scared of us, more like cautiously curious. He doesn't try to hide when she is putting her hand in to change water, retrieve uneaten crickets, etc. When she first put him in the tank on day 1, he took his time exploring everything rather than looking for someplace to hide right away (that is when she got this pic).
 

Wheels47130

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I'm to see you both willing to learn more on them. You found this site which is full of great info. So now that you are starting to get used to it, are you enjoying it? Once you learn the basics they are very easy to care for and can be a lot of fun for many years.
Welcome to the Gecko world!
 

lainezor

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That little guy is sooooo adorable, my gosh! If your daughter leaves for college you can always send him over to me :p
 

Jennifer1

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So now that you are starting to get used to it, are you enjoying it?

To be honest, no. I am finding it very stressful after realizing the set up they sold her is all wrong and now he did not want to eat last night. Worrying about temperature gradients, having to keep keep crickets & worms & worrying about how to feed them before feeding them to the gecko, lighting, humidity, etc. I think he's cute & I don't want him to die now that she has him, but I would never choose to get one. Just seems too complicated and a lot of work for a pet you cant really play with and hides all day and only comes out at night.
 
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