Leopard gecko not eating- possibly ovulation?

[Meaningoflife42]

No accurate scale measurement (either hundreds too high or dozens too low) so picture of her attached. Also, I blocked her view of me (and that side only) so she could feel more safe. Her urates are also yellow, how can I remedy that?

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

No accurate scale measurement (either hundreds too high or dozens too low) so picture of her attached. Also, I blocked her view of me (and that side only) so she could feel more safe. Her urates are also yellow, how can I remedy that?

Yellow urates = bad news.

So all she is currently getting is the Carnivore Care?

 

[Meaningoflife42]

Again, not dusting as she is not eating solid food. The only nutrition she has been receiving is through carnivore care which I have temporarily stopped. Should I bathe her tonight?

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I believe the vet said it was due to establishing some photoperiod while giving d3 as I was instructed to do it at dawn. I will post current weight after I measure her- parents currently using scale to measure ingredients (will be sure to clean ). I will try to stop the liquid diet but my parents for some reason believe that making her full will make her hungry- will try to convince them otherwise. I have bought some of her favorite worms but will also buy some hornworms if I can find them. Still elevating tank. Finallly, pic of actual water dish (in cool side) attached.

As long as it is near a window that will be OK for establishing a photo period, if your dusting with D3 that will be sufficient D3 for her, it can be hard to get things correct when using a UVB Bulb, correct size bulb, correct strength, correct size tank, correct hides and cover, all have to be taken into consideration.

What are her favourite worms.

She used to really like waxworms and pupating mealies so I figured I'd give them a shot. I know these are by far from the best food choices available but I'm hoping they can restart her appetite.

No accurate scale measurement (either hundreds too high or dozens too low) so picture of her attached. Also, I blocked her view of me (and that side only) so she could feel more safe. Her urates are also yellow, how can I remedy that?

Again, not dusting as she is not eating solid food. The only nutrition she has been receiving is through carnivore care which I have temporarily stopped. Should I bathe her tonight?

No dusting with any supplement, including the one pictured, till the yellow urates clear up. Super important!

Sorry about some of my repeats. When was the last time you fed her CC? How long has she ONLY been getting Carnivore Care?

I would go 2 nights with no Carnivore Care. Then try freshly shed mealworms or hornworms. NO waxworms.

If that does not work, go 3 nights with no food. Try again.

All leos I know who have tried hornworms love them. Some places will sell them by the worm. I need to order them online.

Can you get crickets?

Skip the soaking. Keep her as stress-free as you can.

 

[Meaningoflife42]

I will take your advice. Last carnivore are was this afternoon in prep for isolation. She has been only getting this for weeks. I can get crickets but as stated like 30 posts back (so you probably forgot) she has never once gone at a cricket in the 3 years I have had her, I believe they chewed off her toe at her previous owner. I will see about getting local or shipped hornworms and will get her some shed mealworms. Thanks! Also, will refrigerating hornworms kill them?

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I will take your advice. Last carnivore are was this afternoon in prep for isolation. She has been only getting this for weeks. I can get crickets but as stated like 30 posts back (so you probably forgot) she has never once gone at a cricket in the 3 years I have had her, I believe they chewed off her toe at her previous owner. I will see about getting local or shipped hornworms and will get her some shed mealworms. Thanks! Also, will refrigerating hornworms kill them?

Thanks for the repeats. Saves me lots of time re-reading! :razz:

So totally on Carnivore Care for 4 weeks. Just wondering about the yellow urate cause. This would be an excellent question to ask her vet.

With her history with crickets, hornworms would be great! It's easy to keep hornworms alive for about 3 weeks after receipt with the picnic cooler method. Just switch out a solid ice pack every 12 hours and keep about 55*F. Refrigerators are too cold.

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...feeding-issues/68585-hornworm-guidelines.html

Be sure to order very small hornworms! I've ordered from Great Lakes Hornworms. Be sure to ask for a container with enough food to last 3 weeks. My last order was shy on the food that came with.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

From 6 April 2014 initial post:

Diet
Insects and worms, list type:mealworms, superworms occasionally, and waxworms as treat- dislikes crickets
Regular diet fed to the insects and worms: mainly greens
Are the insects and worms formally “gutloaded” 1-2 days prior to feeding off to your gecko? If so with? Usually with greens
How often do you feed your gecko? Not eating- previously every other day
Please list any supplements (with brand names) used. How are they given and how often? Repti cal calcium with d3 left in dish until plain is getting shipped (until about tuesday) occasionally fluker's repta boost- food dusted with either half the time
What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both? See above
Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without? See above
Multivitamins (include brand name)? See above
Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet: none

General Health
If your gecko is sick, please describe the signs and how long your gecko has been showing these signs: possibly ovulating- hunger strike- believe pink lumps on side of belly (not sure if eggs) abnormal defecation and I believe shiny nose and mouth (possibly from birth and not infection$ one month followed by week normal followed by 2 weeks
Is your gecko’s general activity level normal, decreased, or increased? Normal
Is your gecko’s appetite normal, decreased, or increased? Severe deceease
Have you noticed any of the following?
Weight (loss or gain): no
Discharge from the eyes or nose: possible shiny nose/mouth- believed to be scales and not mucus
Increased breathing rate or effort:unk- not believed
Change in the droppings: more green- most recent had large white area possibly due to recent shed- a little possible mucus
Urates
---white or yellowish:yellowish- recent white I believe but may not be urate- see pic
---size of urates as compared to size of feces:large due to relative lack of feces

How have her feces and urates been during the past 4 weeks when she has been on Carnivore Care?

Let us know which greens you fed the worms, since she has not eaten crickets for you at all in the 3 years you've had her.

Did you ever see her licking the Repti Cal calcium with D3 from the dish when you had it in the enclosure? Flukers' Repta+Boost is an assist food, not formally a supplement.

Can you ask her vet whether a blood draw might be advised?

 

[cricket4u]

If your leo is under the care of a vet, don't you think that's the most appropriate person to ask these questions to? That qualified person who examined your leo and prescribed whatever he/she did would have the best answers. You also want to inform the vet about the yellow urates to see what he/she decides is the best course of action. The vet may have told you to use the UVb for a reason. Perhaps he/she suspected something, so it's really not a good idea for anyone to contradict the vet. You certainly do not want to use d3 via supplement is there's a chance of kidney issues(just an example).

 

[Meaningoflife42]

She had some licking of the calcium dish, and I have done a lot of mixed feeding with the worms, sometimes collard greens, spinach, carrots, or strawberries in addition to being kept on a chopped oats medium. The feces have been strange while on the carnivore care due to the pinworms (which has been remedied) and her most recent poop was normal. Urates anywhere from white with a fraction of yellow to mostly yellow. I will talk to the vet about the UVB but I do not think a blood test would benefit her, however I will bring it up. Also, I have some calcium without d3 which I just acquired that I usually give her an opportunity to lick. I think the vet is closed right now so I will call tomorrow.

 

[cricket4u]

A thought to ponder upon. An example of what can cause MBD, unrelated to the amount of supplements and a down side to d3.

You have a leopard gecko who has been suffering for quite a while from parasites. He's been having difficulties putting on weight regardless of how much you feed(but not losing). The leo is not defecating as often as it should be and most bowel movements appear normal. The owner for this reason is not concerned about parasites. Sometimes this can go on for a long time, suddenly the gecko is showing signs of MBD. The calcium and d3 is increased, the leo begins to refuse meals due to so much dusting, starts wasting away and eventually dies.

I'm sure many have heard of at least a similar story. GI disorders can interfere with absorption, therefore supplemental d3 is not always ideal and will not always work. This is why if you ever look up crypto in leos, you will see under supportive care to use UVB. They can survive , but many have difficulties with absorption and fail to grow normally.

 

[Meaningoflife42]

Good point. What's your personal opinion on if I should implement the UVB, cricket?

 

[Meaningoflife42]

She just had another strange colored poop, I presume this may be not pinworms as its shade is similar to that of carnivore care. She passed one that looked like one I saw 2 poops ago followed by a normal one and now this. Could she be irritated by the carnivore care possibly and rejecting it or speeding it through her? Also, vet thought that she needed help with calcium absorption so she supplied the UVB for preventative reasons. She said yellow urates temporarily were no problem and to get her to lick some water.

EDIT: Shipped hornworms!

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

She had some licking of the calcium dish, and I have done a lot of mixed feeding with the worms, sometimes collard greens, spinach, carrots, or strawberries in addition to being kept on a chopped oats medium. The feces have been strange while on the carnivore care due to the pinworms (which has been remedied) and her most recent poop was normal. Urates anywhere from white with a fraction of yellow to mostly yellow. I will talk to the vet about the UVB but I do not think a blood test would benefit her, however I will bring it up. Also, I have some calcium without d3 which I just acquired that I usually give her an opportunity to lick. I think the vet is closed right now so I will call tomorrow.

She just had another strange colored poop, I presume this may be not pinworms as its shade is similar to that of carnivore care. She passed one that looked like one I saw 2 poops ago followed by a normal one and now this. Could she be irritated by the carnivore care possibly and rejecting it or speeding it through her? Also, vet thought that she needed help with calcium absorption so she supplied the UVB for preventative reasons. She said yellow urates temporarily were no problem and to get her to lick some water.

EDIT: Shipped hornworms!

:banana: on the hornworm shipment.

It seems understandable for her poops to be off while being medicated for pinworms and being fed Carnivore Care.

Has she access to a warm moist hide 24/7?

Vet list ;-)
share feces pictures
yellow urates
UVB & D3
blood draw beneficial to access potential kidney issues ?

Thanks for keeping an open mind.

 

[Meaningoflife42]

Oops, forgot to tell regarding the vet. My bad. In addition to the things already mentioned, she did tell me that the yellow urates need a little help from me in terms of hydration, but that a blood test was not needed at this point. I'll share the feces pics with the vet if this continues and thanks.

 

[Meaningoflife42]

Bad news: hornworms delayed till next week.
Good news: this gives me time to hydrate Pinky!

 

[Meaningoflife42]

Hornworms arrived! I offered one and she gobbled it up lickety split! Gonna give her a little break as it was a large one than try more later.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

:banana: :cheer: :banana:

 

[Meaningoflife42]

I believe she ate another hornworm, as I put one in her cage in front of her, went to breakfast, and then couldn't find it, and those guys are massively easy to spot! I think she only eats when I'm not present, or when she feels safe.

 

[Completeleopard]

Hello!

Any chance of a picture of your tank?

Was just wanting to see how secure it is!

 

[Meaningoflife42]

Here ya go. Left side is covered with paper.