MS2 Premium Gutload: A Good Quality Gutload?

JIMI

JIMI

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I've been looking around GU, but have not found any mention of this product. I use this to gutload my leopard gecko's crickets. A family in Alaska puts it together themselves with organic and high quality human grade ingredients. It is used by many breeders and has 5 star ratings all over the place. It seems that it is meant for roaches, but they also suggest to use it for crickets and mealworms as well. Now I know that these feeders differ in their nutritional content so I find it hard to believe that this gutload could be so universal. I wonder, since this product seems to have been made with roaches in mind, if this is really fine to feed to my crickets? If I could feed roaches I would, but my mother has an irrational fear of roaches. She screams infestation and gives me a very alarming glare whenever I mention them! I don't see how dubia roaches could infest my home though...I live in a desert :coverlaugh:.

I have been searching for a nutritional analysis and list of ingredients, but have yet to find any. I can only find testimonials. I'm thinking of emailing the family to ask for this information. Hopefully they will give it to me.

Does anyone else happen to use this gutload?
 
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Elizabeth Freer

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JIMI said:
I have been searching for a nutritional analysis and list of ingredients, but have yet to find any. I can only find testimonials. I'm thinking of emailing the family to ask for this information. Hopefully they will give it to me.
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JIMI ~

It would be fantastic if MS2 Premium Gutload has been analyzed for % of protein, fat, calcium, phosphorus, moisture, fiber, et cetera. Independent analysis would be even better. Just realize that it costs to do that.

Are they marketing it? Are they using it as a dry diet for roaches only right now?
 
JIMI

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My apologies, it seems that I was mislead by the person who suggested this product as a gutload. This is actually a dry diet for feeders. These past few months I thought it was a gutload:oops:. It does not contain any additional supplements:
"We do not add any additional supplements to your chow so it is important to utilize a good calcium powder for dusting your insects as well as a high quality vitamin for dusting based on your individual reptiles needs. We did not add any specific extra supplementation due to the varying dietary requirements of so many species of reptiles."
I'm going to order the T-REX Plus Calcium Food for Crickets today.

I guess I'll just change my question a bit. Is this really a good 24/7 diet for crickets? My crickets devour this stuff by the way.
Here's a link to the product:
MS2 Premium Insect Chow - 1 LB, shipped - MS2 Enterprises

EDIT: I've been doing a bit more of digging and found that some people do use this as a gutload. They even go as far as saying that they swear by it. So confusing:?. I think that it might just be some gut loading confusion.
 
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JIMI

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Elizabeth~
I believe that they are marketing this product though Facebook. I will look into it more though. They suggest to use it for all feeders, but customers say that their roaches thrive on this feed.
I will send them an e-mail today and ask if they have a nutritional analysis!
 
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Elizabeth Freer

Elizabeth Freer

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Elizabeth Freer said:
JIMI ~

It would be fantastic if MS2 Premium Gutload has been analyzed for % of protein, fat, calcium, phosphorus, moisture, fiber, et cetera. Independent analysis would be even better. Just realize that it costs to do that.

Are they marketing it? Are they using it as a dry diet for roaches only right now?
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JIMI said:
Elizabeth~
I believe that they are marketing this product though Facebook. I will look into it more though. They suggest to use it for all feeders, but customers say that their roaches thrive on this feed.
I will send them an e-mail today and ask if they have a nutritional analysis!
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Well, thanks to a link kvnsu shared a couple days ago, I have found answers to the questions I asked in post #2. In a bona fide effort to share the benefits of MS2 Premium Insect Chow here's an interview with Marcy Sowers. With research comes knowledge; sharing promotes even greater knowledge.

Click: Sunday Supplemental with MS2 Enterprises

Marcy states that a formal nutritional analysis of MS2 Premium Insect Chow "is in the works for either 2014 or early 2015".

I know that GU members kvnsu and JIMI use this. All feedback will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Elizabeth Freer

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MS2 Premium Insect Chow update......Mark & Marcy Sowers

"Hello ...... & Elizabeth,

We do not have a definite timeline on the analysis. I could give you date, but that would be something I truly don't know at this moment. We are in the process of purchasing a home and that has been our priority at the moment. So as you can imagine, all of our funds are going in that direction. What I can tell you is that I have used nothing but high quality, the majority either organic or human grade foods to make this product. **Everything** in my chow had to pass the filter would I truly freak out if one of my reptiles ate this ingredient. I had done hours of research on ingredients not only looking for nutrition but also using my culinary senses for palitability (haa for bugs, but the difference is amazing), When I initially made this chow I had no intention of even being a chow producer, but the response from all my feeders was far greater than any chow that I had ever tried. So I sent some samples out to others to see if they got the same results. They too were amazed. I was on to an amazing recipe. We truly would love to have a detailed analysis done sometime by mid 2015. I encourage you to read our (click) Testimonials - MS2 Enterprises. We have several customers who have used our chow for well over a year now and have had simply amazing results. Thank you for your time and inquiry."

from Mark and Marcy Sowers, MS2 Enterprises
10 September 2014
 
PowayRock

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Sounds cool. Im thinking of getting some just for the crickets. It sounds like the crickets love it everywhere ive read about MS2. My gutload (mazuri) trumps my main cricket cages bearded dragon food during the gutload process anyhow. I do see the crickets eating the bearded dragon food but I continue to read that crickets devour MS2. Sounds like happy crickets. All very interesting cant wait for the analysis. So am I correct assuming that the product analysis is only 200 bucks?
 
Elizabeth Freer

Elizabeth Freer

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PowayRock said:
Sounds cool. Im thinking of getting some just for the crickets. It sounds like the crickets love it everywhere ive read about MS2. My gutload (mazuri) trumps my main cricket cages bearded dragon food during the gutload process anyhow. I do see the crickets eating the bearded dragon food but I continue to read that crickets devour MS2. Sounds like happy crickets. All very interesting cant wait for the analysis. So am I correct assuming that the product analysis is only 200 bucks?
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Well, $200 is how much it would cost if done at that lab in North Carolina. I wonder what the cost would be in Alaska.

Hopefully, the MS2 Premium Insect Chow analysis matches the write ups! "Devour" included.
 
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