Solagratia500
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Jimi, Was kind confused as to why you send me that link...it didn't really show my anything..the guy even state that he doesn't put calcium and leave it in the enclosure so that obviously doesn't have anything to do with the poop..along with the fact that no one really seemed to know what was up and it's a bunch of assumption making. It's stuff like this, you can try to tell me all day long, but when you use proof of joe shmoe with 2 leopards preachin over in the corner there's no way in hell I'ma believe that. Like I said I've talked to vets and many leopard gecko breeders do the same thing and recommend it.
Gut loading and dusting -should- be enough. Should. But as you said there aren't many scientific article on the matter. That said who knows, we may not be giving enough, as well as breeder females need extra when producing eggs.But I'm not gonna trust everyone on GU, I've seen some really wacked out people on here before(one guy was trying to say two males can totally go together if kept from birth -facepalm-)
I find is incredibly amusing that with such a lack of scientific information on this animals nutritional needs that people always feel confident to control every aspect of supplement intake regardless and think they know best. These animals and their ancestors have been monitoring their own nutritional intake(and they don't die!...well..not of supplements 0.0
for long before our species even existed. Granted yes, they are now different than their ancestors in the fact that they're domesticated. But I have never once see a vet go "oh yea to much calcium totally killed this gecko". They just...don't eat calcium if they don't need it. They're primitive but they aren't vegetables.
There are even instances in other reptiles that show we don't know better. At first a species of iguana when gravid would intake way to much calcium and people freaked out and cut them back drastically because they were getting Hypercalcemia(which we think is bad right?). Well now they're finding out that female iguanas actually should reach that level of calcium intake even though we think it's bad, it's actually said by vets that yes, this is the amount they should intake and yes this is normal. So obviously our knowledge hasn't always been the best. that said, if my geckos get enough from dusting, then they should never touch the bowl and it's there for decoration. As is I really never see them use it. But I feel better giving them the option rather than say I know the exact amount of calcium to the 0.01g that they need.
Also sorry sidenote..I see leopards die of MBD SO much more half the time because people are lazy and don't dust the crickets enough. Bad on them but it's funny to see people arguing to much calcium when the real problem to fight is lack there of.
Gut loading and dusting -should- be enough. Should. But as you said there aren't many scientific article on the matter. That said who knows, we may not be giving enough, as well as breeder females need extra when producing eggs.But I'm not gonna trust everyone on GU, I've seen some really wacked out people on here before(one guy was trying to say two males can totally go together if kept from birth -facepalm-)
I find is incredibly amusing that with such a lack of scientific information on this animals nutritional needs that people always feel confident to control every aspect of supplement intake regardless and think they know best. These animals and their ancestors have been monitoring their own nutritional intake(and they don't die!...well..not of supplements 0.0
for long before our species even existed. Granted yes, they are now different than their ancestors in the fact that they're domesticated. But I have never once see a vet go "oh yea to much calcium totally killed this gecko". They just...don't eat calcium if they don't need it. They're primitive but they aren't vegetables. There are even instances in other reptiles that show we don't know better. At first a species of iguana when gravid would intake way to much calcium and people freaked out and cut them back drastically because they were getting Hypercalcemia(which we think is bad right?). Well now they're finding out that female iguanas actually should reach that level of calcium intake even though we think it's bad, it's actually said by vets that yes, this is the amount they should intake and yes this is normal. So obviously our knowledge hasn't always been the best. that said, if my geckos get enough from dusting, then they should never touch the bowl and it's there for decoration. As is I really never see them use it. But I feel better giving them the option rather than say I know the exact amount of calcium to the 0.01g that they need.
Also sorry sidenote..I see leopards die of MBD SO much more half the time because people are lazy and don't dust the crickets enough. Bad on them but it's funny to see people arguing to much calcium when the real problem to fight is lack there of.
