Exact Humidity and Temperature

[Yuk]

I was wondering where everyone is coming up with the exact surface and air temperature and humidity recommendations. Is there a source for these recommendations or is it just by experience? Why is the low threshold chosen (humidity and temp)? Is there an exact temperature that is considered too cold for the cold side of the tank? Is low humidity a problem if they have a humid hide to retreat to when they need to (assuming they have adequate water and nutrition)?

I hear recommendations (greatly varying) wherever I look and I just want to get to the bottom of where this information is coming from and why it is being recommended.

Thanks

 

[cricket4u]

I was wondering where everyone is coming up with the exact surface and air temperature and humidity recommendations. Is there a source for these recommendations or is it just by experience? Why is the low threshold chosen (humidity and temp)? Is there an exact temperature that is considered too cold for the cold side of the tank? Is low humidity a problem if they have a humid hide to retreat to when they need to (assuming they have adequate water and nutrition)?

I hear recommendations (greatly varying) wherever I look and I just want to get to the bottom of where this information is coming from and why it is being recommended.

Thanks

Yuk, I'm going to be very honest with you. I will answer your questions later. If you do not know the answer to this question, why do you insist on using substrate? You do know that a slip up of temperatures can lead to impaction correct? That housing them in an aquarium leads to dehydration (a cause of impaction). Did you read my little message I left you in my photobucket page?

I did not have the chance to discuss this in detail with this person, so this is just a possibility what I am going to mention.

(I previously used excavator clay for a leo enclosure.)--her quote

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...ions-regarding-excavator-clay.html#post348730

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...7842-possible-stuck-shed-eye-3.html------Post #21
I think he may have just scratched the eye as he was shedding.

You see the pieces that chip off and can get in the eye.

http://s1120.photobucket.com/user/Kelly_Lisieski/media/Yoshi/36.jpg.html
In 2012 she mentions that she stopped using Excavator, This was after her some time before her leo developed an eye problem which she had to assist feed for many months.
I hope Kelly does not mind me using this as an example.

Which temps are you referring to exactly?
Are these you first 3 leos?

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Yuk ~

FWIW, many of our recommendations/suggestions are based upon personal experiences with leopard geckos and the experiences of others. At some point, I try not to reinvent the wheel.

While some may disagree, I think leos can safely experience somewhat cooler temperatures at night than I recommend in my Leo Care Sheet. In such a care sheet there is no way I can include every little thing. My goal is to include sensible recommendations that have been/are successful in keeping leos healthy in captivity. At best what we create for our leos is a micro-ecosystem.

 

[cricket4u]

Yuk ~

FWIW, many of our recommendations/suggestions are based upon personal experiences with leopard geckos and the experiences of others. At some point, I try not to reinvent the wheel.

While some may disagree, I think leos can safely experience somewhat cooler temperatures at night than I recommend in my Leo Care Sheet. In such a care sheet there is no way I can include every little thing. My goal is to include sensible recommendations that have been/are successful in keeping leos healthy in captivity. At best what we create for our leos is a micro-ecosystem.

I think leos can safely experience somewhat cooler temperatures at night than I recommend in my Leo Care Sheet.

I have to disagree for 2 reason:

1. They always choose to remain in the warmest part of the enclosure at night.
2. They eat in the evening, therefore they spend the night digesting.

 

[Conched]

Good question Yuk. I believe most of the information you read on this site is derived from many different sources. Books, articles found in online and published herp magazines, breeders websites and first hand experience.

Unfortunately about 80% of the posts on this forum are concerning sick, dying or otherwise unhealthy animals. This results in posts and guidance that are somewhat rigid because the posters are trying their best to get the owner back on track with their husbandry practices which are often the cause of the illness in question.

Regrettably, some of the forum members tend to over complicate the situation and in many cases fail to address the immediate concerns and questions of the posted question/concern. This thread is a great example, you posed a valid question and one of the other forum members has hijacked your thread, not answered your question and turned the thread into a reason to tell you why your husbandry practices are unsound.

The good news is that I believe the heathy debate on this forum is truly done with the best interests of the animals well being.

 

[Yuk]

Thanks Elizabeth I figured it was experience in some cases.

@Conched - I think you are right. The problem is for those of us who aren't asking about a sick gecko still get grilled about our husbandry when they don't know how much time we might have put into researching it.

@cricket4u - I am asking this because leopard geckos are highly adaptable and live in some varying enviornments including soil and sand. I can understand an answer like "after years of adjusting the temps I have found that x is ideal". I did a lot of research and spoke with someone else who has the experience and does a similar husbandry successfully before embarking on it. These are my first leopard geckos and I am utilizing at least a part of the experience of others through research. About the excavator clay - you don't know how I have applied it. It is not used at all where my geckos spend the majority of their time. The hides either have a moss floor or hard plastic bottom other than a single soil ground hide. The excavator is mixed with the soil in an area they like to dig in to prevent the dirt and dust in the air, it is applied even lighter where they poop so that it can compost faster. Only in the climbing area is it applied 100 percent - it is an area they move around a lot in and provides a hard ground step for them. I let my geckos decide the exact temperature they like. The hides range from the high 90's to the low 70's and there are 11 of them to choose from. That is the last I will say about my husbandry here. I have a thread dedicated to my husbandry somewhere else.

Anyway, I was just looking for opinions on where people get all their information and remarking that everywhere you look, that information varies. Thanks for the answers.

 

[Hilde]

I have to disagree for 2 reason:

1. They always choose to remain in the warmest part of the enclosure at night.
2. They eat in the evening, therefore they spend the night digesting.

Yes, they do pick the warm spot at night. But then again, why not if it's available?
Where in the wild can they find a spot that's 93°F all night long? That would be pretty rare, unless it's a heat wave. Even a well protected burrow won't stay that hot until sunrise. The real work of digestion starts later when they warm up again.

Yuk, I'm going to be very honest with you. I will answer your questions later.

Please stay on topic, hijacking isn't nice.