Bearded Dragon food for crickets...

MistyBleil

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Let me start by saying, I hate crickets. What to feed crickets and what to put on said crickets before I feed them to my darling little geckos has taken over my internet searches and reading times. :yikes: lol

Now that I have decided to use the breaded dragon food to feed my crickets, I have two questions.
#1. Do I need the soft-bites or hard pellet form of the breaded dragon food? If I need the hard one, does it need ground up before being feed to the crickets?

#2. If I feed the stupid crickets :evil: the dragon food and use supplements do they need gut loaded too?
 

kvnsu

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1: I would recommend the hard pellet form and ground it up and place it in a bowl for your crickets. In addition please add dandelion greens, collard greens and carrots for additional nutrition.

2: I believe you do not need to gut load if you are using that diet w/ the added greens.

A different alternative is dubia roaches they do not jump, smell and cannot infest your house. They are really easy to breed and are healthier than crickets as far as I'm concerned.



"Crickets
----Pros
-Variety of ideal sizes
-soft shell
-don't hide/bury themselves

----Cons
-Hard to breed (for me anyways)
-Expensive to buy
-Not a good shell to meat ratio
-Can carry parasites
-smell, chirp, etc.

Blaptica dubia
----Pros
-Good meat to shell ratio
-long living
-Don't get too large
-Can't climb/fly
-Easy to breed

----Cons
-Like to bunker down
-Harder shell (giving smaller geckos a problem)
-Slow producer" - Derek Dunlop DDreptiles
 
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MistyBleil

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I have given serous thought to the dubias. But the thought of roaches freaks my husband out. He has been very VERY firm on the idea of NO Roaches, EVER. I need to order more Phoenix worms. I have not tried the reptiworms yet. I just hate paying as much for shipping as I do the product. Oh well.
 

kvnsu

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Oh.. the roaches can be placed in the garage and sealed off as long as their are some air holes.. trust me he never even has to see them! Just say they are little black bugs that don't do anything, instead of using the term 'roaches'. ;-) Phoenix worms are a healthy alternative but rack up a bill over time.
 

PowayRock

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I was interested in buying some dubia roaches and keeping in a cricket keeper. You say they cant climb. I hear they are healthy for geckos, can they be served in a dish? I Wanted to add a variety. Crickets cost me 3$ per 100. Dubia roaches are like 7 dollars for fourty. Kept in the garage in the warmth they grow and re produce faster. I just cycle crickets out weekly. I cant stand the smell or mess if they dont get cleaned twice a week. Are they roaches healthier than crickets? Can they be used to replace crickets in theyre diet?
 

kvnsu

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Yes I would highly recommend dubia roaches and yes they can replace a cricket diet and be placed in a shallow food dish! Yes it is expensive to buy at first.. but starting a colony is easy and will save you money over time! Best of luck~!
 

PowayRock

New member
Let me start by saying, I hate crickets. What to feed crickets and what to put on said crickets before I feed them to my darling little geckos has taken over my internet searches and reading times. :yikes: lol

Now that I have decided to use the breaded dragon food to feed my crickets, I have two questions.
#1. Do I need the soft-bites or hard pellet form of the breaded dragon food? If I need the hard one, does it need ground up before being feed to the crickets?

#2. If I feed the stupid crickets :evil: the dragon food and use supplements do they need gut loaded too?

I grind the hard pellets in a coffee grinder and keep collard green and dandelion greens 24/7 in primary large cricket keeper. I also gutload with mazuri gutload diet in secondary smaller cricket keeper. I am currently in trial mode with dust supplements. Am curently doing all the above, i say trial because dusting may not be neccessary, or rather may be excessive. Trying to determine a correct dust schedual. Topic will be discussed with a vet because its a little bit of a grey area.
 

PowayRock

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Yes I would highly recommend dubia roaches and yes they can replace a cricket diet and be placed in a shallow food dish! Yes it is expensive to buy at first.. but starting a colony is easy and will save you money over time! Best of luck~!

Starting a Roach colony is a little freaky. I know they re will be protest in the household. but the crickets smell!!!
 

PowayRock

New member
Let me start by saying, I hate crickets. What to feed crickets and what to put on said crickets before I feed them to my darling little geckos has taken over my internet searches and reading times. :yikes: lol

Now that I have decided to use the breaded dragon food to feed my crickets, I have two questions.
#1. Do I need the soft-bites or hard pellet form of the breaded dragon food? If I need the hard one, does it need ground up before being feed to the crickets?

#2. If I feed the stupid crickets :evil: the dragon food and use supplements do they need gut loaded too?

And misty I am just sharing what I do I am not making recomedations dont want to confuse you. I am a total newb. So far my geckos are healthy and getting a check up next week just to make sure im doing right. The users here, kvnsu is one, have all given me the best info to make my choices for my geckos.
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
This is the exact beardie food I am recommending as an alternative to an All Purpose Poultry Feed:
Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food. It comes in small pellets.
Click: Foods for Bearded Dragons: Zoo Med Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food at Drs. Foster and Smith

I would not recommend Blaptica dubia as a staple feeder for leopard geckos. Charts suggest that roaches contain too much protein. How accurate these charts are I do not know.

Check out: Causes of gout.

On the other hand crickets have excellent protein levels and a reasonable amount of fat.

Don't know whether you guys have seen these. When kept in this manner, cricket smell is quite minimal. It's very easy to keep crickets alive for up to about 2 months past purchase. Part of the smell results from too much moisture: decaying vegetables and excess water.

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...-feeding-issues/68574-cricket-guidelines.html

Click: leos eating dubia on FB
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=420810677967088&oid=359607730781688
 
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kvnsu

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This is the exact beardie food I am recommending as an alternative to an All Purpose Poultry Feed:
Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food. It comes in small pellets.
Click: Foods for Bearded Dragons: Zoo Med Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food at Drs. Foster and Smith

I would not recommend Blaptica dubia as a staple feeder. Charts suggest that roaches contain too much protein. How accurate these charts are I do not know.

Check out: Causes of gout.

On the other hand crickets have much less protein and a reasonable amount of fat.

Don't know whether you guys have seen these. Kept in this manner cricket smell is quite minimal. It's very easy to keep them alive for up to about 3 months past purchase. Part of the smell is decaying vegetables and too much moisture.

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...-feeding-issues/68574-cricket-guidelines.html


I do not think that chart is accurate at all Elizabeth. Was scrolling through earlier post about dubia roaches vs crickets and this is what Riverside reptiles had to say:

"This is false information. Please disregard. The nutritional values of a feeder are directly affected by the diet of that particular insect. Also, the nutritional needs of a "gecko" vary from species to species. So, to make a blanket statement such as "dubia are too high in protein" is ridiculous (especially when one doesn't know what species the insect is being fed to and one doesn't know what the feeder has been fed).

Dubia, IMO have a lot of benefits over crickets. They have much larger intestinal tracts which allow them to be gut loaded better. They live far longer than crickets. They have a much higher meat to shell ratio. And no, unless you live in a tropical area, they won't infest your house like a domestic roach.

Any insect that you use should be gut loaded prior to feeding. As mentioned, lateralis roaches (red runners, turks, etc) are another good alternative. They are more cricket sized and their high activity levels help to stimulate the prey drive in many geckos. THey also breed faster than dubia.

I suggest reading through the many older posts in this feeder section for more details as there are benefits and downsides to all feeders. I utilize dubia, lateralis, crickets, and lobster roaches with my animals. Each insect has it's ups and downs. There are also many older posts with good information pertaining to gut loading as well as proper feeding of your feeders."

I highly recommend reading this thread if anyone is debating on whether using crickets or roaches: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/community/feeders-food-nutrition/70245-dubia-roaches-vs-crickets.html
 
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PowayRock

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Would roches be a good variety to add to a cricket dominant diet. Like tues and thurs. that may be a good way to include the total bites to feeder diet. LLL reptile says the roaches love it. I trust no pet store :crackup: Or should i use the same diet routine i do with crickets. Just to give geckos variety.
 

kvnsu

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Would roches be a good variety to add to a cricket dominant diet. Like tues and thurs. that may be a good way to include the total bites to feeder diet. LLL reptile says the roaches love it. I trust no pet store :crackup: Or should i use the same diet routine i do with crickets. Just to give geckos variety.


Yes it would be Poway, a varied diet is best as you already know :)
 

PowayRock

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Now that I know they stay in a dish i will get some. They looked like they would get right under the tiles and ten other unreachable spots. thats the only reason i havent offered them to my geckos.
 

MistyBleil

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Bearded dragon food should arrive from Amazon on Wednesday (tomorrow). Need to run to the the store for greens then I am golden as far as cricket feeding goes. What is annoying is that I have a big jar of flukers cricket diet powder.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Bearded dragon food should arrive from Amazon on Wednesday (tomorrow). Need to run to the the store for greens then I am golden as far as cricket feeding goes. What is annoying is that I have a big jar of flukers cricket diet powder.

Misty ~

Do you mean Flukers High Calcium Cricket Food? If so just offer mostly the ZM Adult Beardie Food, but add a little Flukers in each time till it is gone. No problem.
 
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MistyBleil

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Yep Elizabeth that is the one I have. Thanks for letting me know I can add a little bit to the bd food. I was hating the idea of wasting the cricket food and the money I spent on it.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Yep Elizabeth that is the one I have. Thanks for letting me know I can add a little bit to the bd food. I was hating the idea of wasting the cricket food and the money I spent on it.

:idea: Best to store these cricket dry diets/foods out of the kitchen and bathroom. Store them at as low humidity as possible and 59-86*F.
 
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