Contin. odd response to prey?

LEOPARD1

New member
My LG is still letting mealworms and dubias crawl right up to it and it acts annoyed. I then take them out and it seems that the only time I can get it to eat anything is at day break and its barely one prey item. I hear of alll these voracious eaters and my Gecko is in good health with good temp gradients. Anyone experienced this. Its about 2 months old 18 grams.

L@1
 

hmarie186

New member
What are your temps and how are they measured? Try introducing some variety. Blue bottle fly larvae, reptiworms, silkworms and hornworms are all wiggly, soft bodied and have good moisture. The feeders are not allowed to free range in the cage, correct?
 
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LEOPARD1

New member
I will have to get back to you with the temps. Its in a 5.5 gallon zilla reptile keeper with a good amount of room to live even with that I thought it would be a waste to try to decipher any heat or humidity gradient in a 5.5.. I ordered all the top line gear tonight. I will update the tank to a ten gallon when I have the dough. The feeding scenerio goes as is. The gecko goes into its hide, I drop two giant mealworms in front or slide them underneath and they are usually eaten. They dont "roam". Thats all it will eat. Now today it at 4 silk worms. It always eats a 1" dubia no problem. My concern is am I misjudging the size of the prey items? Do you need a pic of the gecko or a pic of the gecko in its set up?

L@!
 

Tongue Flicker

New member
I have one gecko that only eats inside the hide. I know it eats since i can hear a screeching and munching sound. If i dont hear anything, i usually see the dropped prey item (usually a cricket) runnin outside the hide entrance.

I have a huge female who is afraid of crickets.

My late male only eats 4 superworms in 2 weeks time and yet still gains weight.

Prey size is no issue as long as your gecko can eat it in one go. But keep in mind the distance in the eye size unless your gecko is kinda skinny or needs to be fed some more
 

LEOPARD1

New member
When I have a couple folks attention I guess I will go off topic. My LG has a nice fat tail but looks "puffy" all the time. It just seems odd. I bought vitamin powder to add to the calcium when I dust feeders. Maybe that will help.

L@1
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
Hi LEOPARD@1 ~

How about completing this so we have more details? Even a good idea to begin with a 20 gallon LONG.

What type of vitamin and calcium powder have you? Brand and specific type?

High quality pictures will be appreciated.

General Information
Species of lizard:
Gecko's name:
Morph:
Gender:
Age:
Weight:
Total length:
Length of your reptile when you first acquired it:
Source (pet store, breeder, previous owner):
Captive bred or wild caught:

Vivarium
Enclosure dimensions (length x width x heighth):
Cage (type, size):
Substrate provided:
Types of hiding places provided:
Is there a humidity hide? location?
Please describe any other furnishings:
List recent changes in the environment, if any:

Lighting
Artificial lighting
Incandescent (“screw-in” bulbs): wattage(s):
Fluorescent (tube bulbs):
Access to ambient daylight from a distant window:

Heating
Do you have a thermometer(s) in the cage?
What type and brand of thermometer (digital with probe, temperature gun, LCD strip, analog (circle), combo digital thermometer/hygrometer, stainless steel aquarium type, other):
What is the ground temperature right on the substrate under the warm dry hide:
What is the air temperature on the warm end about 4 inches up from the ground:
What is the air temperature on the cool end about 4 inches up from the ground:
What device(s) are used to maintain the temperature (Under Tank Heater, heat light, ceramic heat emitter, Flexwatt heat tape, hot rock, other):
Ventilation space for your UTH by elevating the tank above the shelf (some UTHs come with sticky feet for the tank corners):
Are you using a thermostat(s)?
Which hide does she/he spend most of her time?
Is the temperature decreased at night? by how much?

Humidity
Is the humidity measured?
Humidity range:

Diet
Insects and worms, list type:
Regular diet fed to the insects and worms:
Are the insects and worms formally “gutloaded” 1-2 days prior to feeding off to your gecko? If so with?
How often do you feed your gecko?
Please list any supplements (with brand names) used. How are they given and how often?
What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both?
Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without?
Multivitamins (include brand name)?
Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet:

General Health
If your gecko is sick, please describe the signs and how long your gecko has been showing these signs:
Is your gecko’s general activity level normal, decreased, or increased?
Is your gecko’s appetite normal, decreased, or increased?
Have you noticed any of the following?
Weight (loss or gain):
Discharge from the eyes or nose:
Increased breathing rate or effort:
Change in the droppings:
Urates
---white or yellowish:
---size of urates as compared to size of feces:
Abnormal skin color or shedding:
Parasites on the skin or in the feces:
Weakness:
Regurgitation:

Previous problems and/or illnesses:

Other Critters in Same Cage or in Household
List other animals that are kept in the same cage:
Recent acquisitions (new pets within the past 6 months):
Are any of your other pets ill?
 

LEOPARD1

New member
Questions

Here we go! Sorry to lazy to add questions. I cant see this LG needing more than a 15 long or a 10 gallon. Not that I am questioning your expertise.

Herptivite (rep cal) and Zoo Med Calcium with and without D3

Common Leopard Gecko (E.M)

no name

wild type

no idea

4 months old

25 grams

6"

no idea

ReptMart

C.B.

16 x 8 x 10

5.5 gallon zilla

Duck Shelf Liner (used for years with many herps with no ill effects)

Warm Hide (reptihide (Black PVC looking palstic, left side of cage) and moist hide (ziplock container with moss and hole in top, right side)

yes

water bowl, lees mealworm dish

no changes in 2 months

15 watt sunlight bulb (no heat)

15 watt heat cable taped to bottom of right side of cage covering half of cage

no (just ordered zilla digital temp/humid guage)

cant give accurate degree (75 degrees 4 inches above ground most likely)

7o degress most likely 4 inches above substrate

15 watt heat cable UTH

Sticky feet included

no

humid hide

5 degree decrease at night (guess)

humidity not measured, no problematic sheds.

Dubia Roaches, Non chemically treated giant mealworms. silkworms, wax worms

Repashy Bug Burger/Oats

not generally gut loaded.

fed daily

Both with and without D3 Zoo Med Brand. (just ordered herptivite brand unknown)

no calcium in tank

silk worms

Normal

Normal

no weight loss, steady weight gain

No dishcarge from eyes or nose

no increased breathing rate or effort

Solid dropping and urates until recent feeding of silk worms.

Urates (white)

Urates 1/3 size of feces





Hi LEOPARD@1 ~

How about completing this so we have more details? Even a good idea to begin with a 20 gallon LONG.

What type of vitamin and calcium powder have you? Brand and specific type?

High quality pictures will be appreciated.

General Information
Species of lizard:
Gecko's name:
Morph:
Gender:
Age:
Weight:
Total length:
Length of your reptile when you first acquired it:
Source (pet store, breeder, previous owner):
Captive bred or wild caught:

Vivarium
Enclosure dimensions (length x width x heighth):
Cage (type, size):
Substrate provided:
Types of hiding places provided:
Is there a humidity hide? location?
Please describe any other furnishings:
List recent changes in the environment, if any:

Lighting
Artificial lighting
Incandescent (“screw-in” bulbs): wattage(s):
Fluorescent (tube bulbs):
Access to ambient daylight from a distant window:

Heating
Do you have a thermometer(s) in the cage?
What type and brand of thermometer (digital with probe, temperature gun, LCD strip, analog (circle), combo digital thermometer/hygrometer, stainless steel aquarium type, other):
What is the ground temperature right on the substrate under the warm dry hide:
What is the air temperature on the warm end about 4 inches up from the ground:
What is the air temperature on the cool end about 4 inches up from the ground:
What device(s) are used to maintain the temperature (Under Tank Heater, heat light, ceramic heat emitter, Flexwatt heat tape, hot rock, other):
Ventilation space for your UTH by elevating the tank above the shelf (some UTHs come with sticky feet for the tank corners):
Are you using a thermostat(s)?
Which hide does she/he spend most of her time?
Is the temperature decreased at night? by how much?

Humidity
Is the humidity measured?
Humidity range:

Diet
Insects and worms, list type:
Regular diet fed to the insects and worms:
Are the insects and worms formally “gutloaded” 1-2 days prior to feeding off to your gecko? If so with?
How often do you feed your gecko?
Please list any supplements (with brand names) used. How are they given and how often?
What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both?
Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without?
Multivitamins (include brand name)?
Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet:

General Health
If your gecko is sick, please describe the signs and how long your gecko has been showing these signs:
Is your gecko’s general activity level normal, decreased, or increased?
Is your gecko’s appetite normal, decreased, or increased?
Have you noticed any of the following?
Weight (loss or gain):
Discharge from the eyes or nose:
Increased breathing rate or effort:
Change in the droppings:
Urates
---white or yellowish:
---size of urates as compared to size of feces:
Abnormal skin color or shedding:
Parasites on the skin or in the feces:
Weakness:
Regurgitation:

Previous problems and/or illnesses:

Other Critters in Same Cage or in Household
List other animals that are kept in the same cage:
Recent acquisitions (new pets within the past 6 months):
Are any of your other pets ill?
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
Also, these are native to my home so I treat them probably less nice than an american would.

Really important to have your temperature reads from under the warm hide and at the cool end.

Where do you live? Perhaps it is too warm for you to reach these lows year round.

I like Zoo Med's plain (no D3) Reptivite. Herptivite contains vitamin A in the form of beta carotene. Some studies demonstrate that chameleons do not use vitamin A that way. Reptivite contains vitamin A acetate. Better. Highly recommended for leos to get most of their nutrients from well fed prey. Light dusting is secondary.

Recommended temperatures for all leos regardless of size
88-93 F (31-34 C) ground temp at warm end inside the warm dry hide
no greater than 85 F (29.5 C) air temp - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
no greater than 75 F (24.5 C) air temp - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

Leave the UTH on 24/7. Turn off the overhead lighting/heating at night (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures are particularly cool during the night.

Back much later Monday/Tuesday.
 
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LEOPARD1

New member
Really important to have your temperature reads from under the warm hide and at the cool end.

Where do you live? Perhaps it is too warm for you to reach these lows year round.

I like Zoo Med's plain (no D3) Reptivite. Herptivite contains vitamin A in the form of beta carotene. Some studies demonstrate that chameleons do not use vitamin A that way. Reptivite contains vitamin A acetate. Better. Highly recommended for leos to get most of their nutrients from well fed prey. Light dusting is secondary.

Recommended temperatures for all leos regardless of size
88-93 F (31-34 C) ground temp at warm end inside the warm dry hide
no greater than 85 F (29.5 C) air temp - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
no greater than 75 F (24.5 C) air temp - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

Leave the UTH on 24/7. Turn off the overhead lighting/heating at night (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures are particularly cool during the night.

Back much later Monday/Tuesday.

Thankyou,

I live in the states now (Midwest) so I am taking all precautions now.

L@1
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
The larger your enclosure, the more exercise your leopard gecko will get! No enclosure we can provide mimics a leopard gecko's natural habitat.
 
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