Leo acting strange...

[Elizabeth Freer]

Ah! Thought it was nocturnal...

I have one, yeah. But we've been using a 75 watt night bulb (it's like a black bulb I think) and a uth, but the uth doesn't really produce alot of heat... so we use both.

We just did, put it inside the hide, and I believe it was 95 degrees under the hot hide.

95*F on the ground under the warm dry hide is way too hot. That may be why she does not use that hide much at all. Reduce the power of the overhead bulb or depend solely upon your UTH.

That's what I was wondering... They daylight bulb is 75 watts too, like the night one we've been using. Should we be switching bulbs during the day/night cycle?

If your room temperatures are around 68*F or better, there is no need for overhead heat during the night.

Another question... Since we've moved hides, she's been on the cooler side now (making us believe she was never cold, just preferred that particular hide...) Last night, we've moved the humid hide to the hot side, not the middle, and she was in there for a little over a couple hours... Then right back to the old hide she's always hiding in, that's now on the cool side...

If the warm side is too hot, that could be the reason she's choosing the cooler hides. It takes awhile for leos to adapt to change.

Is this normal? Being so long in the humid hide? And now staying on the cooler side since that's where her favorite hide is now? I would hope if she was cold... she'd go in the new hot hide, right?
Another thing... the calcium is calcium with D3, but I've just recently heard that that wasn't suitable... That she could over dose, or that there wasn't enough D3 in it to help her digest the calcium... We've just ordered Nutrobal, to give her more Vitamins... Is it okay to keep using the D3 calcium, or should we save up to get her just straight calcium with no D3 and just use that with the Nutrobal..?

Your calcium with D3 comments are "all over the map". I'm really trying, but I'm about out of energy for this thread.

Vitamin D3 is a fat soluble vitamin. It must be taken with food for proper digestion. Some D3 is required to metabolize calcium. Humans get much D3 from sunlight.

Your profile lists you from the USA. Now you are ordering Nutrobal. That's generally a product used in the UK or maybe in Europe. In order for my hornworm sources to make sense, I need to know what country you are from. Perhaps hornworms are hard to find in the UK?

Look at Nutrobal's ingredients. Does it contain calcium carbonate? Does it contain vitamin D3? If so there is no reason to add more plain calcium. Do you have Fluker's calcium with D3? Fluker's contains lots of D3.

A gecko can overdose on multivitamins or calcium with D3.

 

[RyoDai89]

Sorry then...

I was only asking if we should stop the Calcium with D3 and get JUST straight calcium. And get all the vitamins and D3 as a completely separate thing.
Totally separate powder.
Not taking away D3, not at all, just separating them to better adjust how much she gets of both in case she is overdosing on one or the other.
And yes, it's Fluker's Calcium with D3.


And yes, I know they have to take it with food. That's why we've been giving her the junk food that the vet told us and mixing it with that.
We're now going back to the slurry, a different one, in hopes that THIS will get her back into shape. And that it's at least better than the other junk.
Different though, being that we'll be adding other vitamins to it. And less of other things.


But no, I'm from the US.
When I was told to buy the other vitamins, I asked what they used themselves.
They used Nutrobal too. (They're probably from the UK)
And when looking for a US version... they did have the same exact stuff. But there was a deal on the Nutrobal with free shipping that they got me so I went ahead and just got that.


I found some hornworms on ebay I think... But I'm not sure what size I should be buying... And how many. I know what size to feed but how fat do they grow... I don't want to spend too much money on a bunch, and then I can't feed them to anything.


As for heating, I can change it easily by cutting the mat off. I thought it might've been too cold for her.
But she'd always been on the hot side hiding in that same cave until we moved the same cave over to the other side. So it has to be that particular hide...
Which ever side it's on, that's where she'll be.
So if we know she's always going to go in that same exact one, should we put it back on the hot side? Is it better for her to be on the hot side or the cool side if she's basically hiding all the time?
My main reason for moving it was so the water bowl wasn't causing alot of humidity but if that's not a serious issue, I'll just move it back.


I want to apologize if your getting exasperated with this. But I am too.
I'm trying any which way possible to try to fix this. Reading all the stuff on the internet I can find. Talking to breeders and other gecko owners. I'm blowing money left and right, as I should and have no problem doing, but nothings working.
And if you think your frustrated, you have no idea .

Save for hornworms and trying different vitamins-
I've raised the temp, changed decor so there wouldn't be humidity issues, and changed to tile.
Covered the tank. Bought loads of different equipment. Loads of different insects.
And gone to the vet.
And nothing has changed. The only thing I've yet to do is starve her. Which I don't have it in me to do.
I'm starting to think she'll just have to be force fed for the rest of her life... Unless by the grace of god she's ovulating, then I've no idea what's wrong...



EDIT!!!!!!

You know, it wasn't until JUST now that I found out you'd written stuff under the quotes too... I feel like an idiot :I !
But I'm going back to it now...



UPDATE!

Moved old hide back, and turned off mat. It's now a constant 90 degrees. Also, we moved the moist hide all the way over the hot side instead of merely being next to the warm hide... she's been in there off and on for hours at a time...

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Thanks for confirming that you live in the USA. That helps me.

Here's information on Nutrobal. It's an excellent product. Since Nutrobal contains both vitamin D3 and calcium, don't mix Nutrobal with any plain calcium, Fluker's calcium with vitamin D3, or any other supplement.

"Nutrobal"
Click: Nutrobal for reptiles

Contents per gram:
Calcium 200 mg & Vitamin D3 150 IU
Vitamins A, C, E, K, B1, B2, B6, B12 folic, nicotinic and pantothenic acids, biotin choline niacin and minerals P, Na, Fe, Co, I, Mn, Zn, Se, Cu." (cricket4u -- 27 Feb 2012)

Calcium/Phosphorus ratio of 46:1

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Let's both of us keep our replies "short and sweet".

GU has helped many leos get their wee lives back together. However, if you combine all the advice you read "out there" you are bound to get confused. Please listen.

1. What is your leo's name?
2. I bolded my comments within the quotes in order to make those comments easier to find. I don't know how to do it differently.
3. I let the pros be responsible for mixing my gecko's food. I do not recommend adding a little of "this and that here and there". How do you or I know just what is optimal?
4. Again, order some Oxbow's Carnivore Care. It is a professionally balanced and well respected food! Your leo deserves this. Maybe your leo will improve if his nutrition is professionally managed?
5. I would not mix any supplements into the Carnivore Care.
6. From where did you order Nutrobal? :yahoo: What USA source did you find? I am genuinely impressed.
7. Every change you make is additionally stressful for your leo.
8. Typically leopard geckos spend much of their time hiding.
9. Just a couple years ago I added a 15 watt bulb on top of my leo's cage to provide a photo period. It's dimmed to half power. Since I did that, my leo has been out and about much more.
10. Good on moving the moist hide totally to the "hot" side.
11. Click and read all the links I've sent. Where you see a "click", that's a link.
12. Did you read on lbanta's thread, how her leo Vastra loves hornworms? Todd's leo loves hornworms too?
13. Did you click on my Hornworm Guidelines link? The questions you ask are mostly answered right there. There are even photos in that link. Hornworms grow extremely fast. That's why you'll need a picnic cooler and several ice packs to switch out every 12 hours. Using a picnic cooler is exactly how I keep hornworms. If you do exactly what I say in those guidelines, you'll be able to keep your hornworms alive for about 3 weeks.
14. What are you feeding your insects and worms? If you give them a balanced diet (which is the best way for your lizards to get nutrition), you may need to cut back on Nutrobal light dusting.

 

[RyoDai89]

1) My sister named it Boomie I think? But that was when she thought it was a boy...

2) No, it's not you, I didn't even know you could quote on here. I'd just been reading the messages under the quotes.

3) I entirely agree. That's why I thought all we needed was calcium with D3. Nothing else. Now I'm told I should have been using another vitamin supplement too...

4) Is it alright to buy off ebay?
How long should we use it?

5) Nothing at all, right? No plain calcium? Or is that in there?

6) I think I got it off Amazon actually. It's on ebay too but it was cheaper and had free shipping on Amazon.

7) Yeah... That's why we moved everything back. The new hide though is on the cooler end. It has another much smaller hole on the other side so, we just turned it around...

8.) That's good news then.

9) So, just a regular bulb then? Does it need to produce heat?

10) Thank you.

11) Yeah! I couldn't believe myself when I found them. Save for the hornworms links, I had no idea...

12) Yeah! I did! And it's funny because, originally our gecko was doing the same thing. Having trouble catching them but still attempting to... Now she doesn't even bother hunting anything.

13) I did, but all I could find was how many to feed and sizes... Didn't see how fast they could grow (initially) or how much I should initially buy.
Do you think 10 would be okay to start out with?

14) Lots of things... leafy things like kale and other greens. Oranges and other fruits, cat/dog food, and fish food (I was told fish food for protein.) And alot of other veggies. We alternate everyday what they eat.
So.. is the Nutrobal pretty much useless then ?

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

4) Is it alright to buy off ebay?
How long should we use it?
......

14) Lots of things... leafy things like kale and other greens. Oranges and other fruits, cat/dog food, and fish food (I was told fish food for protein.) And alot of other veggies. We alternate everyday what they eat.
So.. is the Nutrobal pretty much useless then ?

This is what I typed in my last reply:

Here's information on Nutrobal. It's an excellent product. Since Nutrobal contains both vitamin D3 and calcium, don't mix Nutrobal with any plain calcium, Fluker's calcium with vitamin D3, or any other supplement.

"Nutrobal"
Click: Nutrobal for reptiles

Contents per gram:
Calcium 200 mg & Vitamin D3 150 IU
Vitamins A, C, E, K, B1, B2, B6, B12 folic, nicotinic and pantothenic acids, biotin choline niacin and minerals P, Na, Fe, Co, I, Mn, Zn, Se, Cu." (cricket4u -- 27 Feb 2012)

Calcium/Phosphorus ratio of 46:1

How can I type what I did and then you answer: "So.. is the Nutrobal pretty much useless then ?"

4) Buy exactly Oxbow's Carnivore Care off E-Bay or Amazon. Just make sure of the expiration date. Buy only that.

Ask your vet if he will order the Carnivore Care for you to pick up. Then maybe you can avoid shipping costs. The Oxbow vet told me a couple months ago that this is possible.

5) Carnivore Care contains all necessary nutrients for as long as you use it.

After Boomie has eaten Carnivore Care for maybe 2-3 weeks and seems stronger, order some hornworms. I hope Boomie will then have the desire to eat them.

9) I use a 15 watt incandescent bulb ("regular" bulb) in the center of the screen to produce a photo period. I have to special order a box of them from ACE. For overhead heating I recommend a ceramic heat emitter (CHE). CHEs produce heat but no stressful light.

My example:



(Click to enlarge photos)

13 )How about 12 hornworms at first? Maybe you could buy several hornworms at a shop or nearby reptile show?

15) Please read my Cricket Guidelines. Don't feed the crickets or worms dog food, cat food, or fish flakes. Fish flakes contain way too much protein.

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...feeding-issues-/68574-cricket-guidelines.html

 

[RyoDai89]

I ask that because you said not to add anything to the Carnivore Oxbow stuff. And because I know she'll probably be on it for some time, there really isn't any point for it now. I probably could have just not gotten it, or atleast waited a while.


So, while we're feeding her the Carnivore Care, should we still offer insects during the 3 week period?
I know you said to wait on the hornworms for right now, I just want to know if we should still offer her anything while still continuing it the three weeks whether she takes them or not.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I ask that because you said not to add anything to the Carnivore Oxbow stuff. And because I know she'll probably be on it for some time, there really isn't any point for it now. I probably could have just not gotten it, or atleast waited a while.

Thanks for adding these comments. (I'm sorry.) Please google Oxbow's Carnivore Care to check out the ingredients.

Hopefully Boomie will regain her strength, eat hornworms, and then eat crickets. So you'll already have the Nutrobal when cricket time comes around. That's a good thing.

Serve the hornworms plain at first. Then try very lightly dusting them with plain calcium carbonate to further balance their calcium-to-phosphorus ratio Buy the NOW brand pure calcium carbonate (for humans) at a health foods store. It does not expire.


So, while we're feeding her the Carnivore Care, should we still offer insects during the 3 week period?
I know you said to wait on the hornworms for right now, I just want to know if we should still offer her anything while still continuing it the three weeks whether she takes them or not.

Just feed Boomie Carnivore Care for 2 weeks. Offering her insects could increase her stress. Depending upon how she's doing after 2 weeks on Carnivore Care, try a cricket with the back legs cut off right below the "knees" to slow it down. Continue, some, with the Carnivore Care.

 

[RyoDai89]

So! I wanted to do a quick update!

Been feeding the Carnivore Care these past weeks. It came 2-3 days after my last post. And she has gained some serious weight!
Not only has she felt heavier, but her tail has gotten reallllllllllly fat! Atleast in comparison to before.
She's been in the moist hide a little more often, and while she still mostly hides, we have caught her peeking out from her cave more.
She also readily eats the carnivore care. Almost like she actually enjoys it. Where as before it would take probably 45 minutes for her to eat the slurry or 'other stuff', it takes less then 5-10, depending on her mood.
Her poop is also bigger too though...

Overall, I think she seems in waaaaay better condition.
However...

She's gained a pretttty good amount of weight, and yet we still haven't seen her shed since her last one before doing the carnivore care... is this normal?
Also... when I say she enjoys the carnivore care, she reallllllllly enjoys it. As though she enjoys eating, period.
She still will not 'hunt' though, if that makes any sense.
We actually went out about an hour away yesterday and got hornworms! Unfortunately, she acts as though they disgust her. Just like all the insects before. With the carnivore care, she's pretty ready to eat, you can tell. And she'll, even now, eat it rather quickly like she hasn't eaten in decades so... you can tell she has an appetite, she just won't eat any insects still.

I've no problem continuing the carnivore care (I've actually just bought more), do you think a little longer on the carnivore care will do the trick? And also... on the off chance she'll never 'hunt' again and we will have to 'hand feed' her for the rest of her life (though I'm praying that's not the case), should we still be using the carnivore care as her main diet? It's clearly done wonders, and she really seems to like it, just don't know if a constant diet of 'critical care' food is acceptable or not?


I'm hoping that maybe giving her a hornworm after a few weeks was still too early. Or perhaps we did so at the wrong time? We tried it at about 10pm, about the time we'd feed her every night, and put it in the cage... perhaps there's a better way to entice her?

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

:yahoo: for your success feeding Boomie Carnivore Care. Glad that she's so eager to eat it.

How about posting a new video?

How about this?

• Withhold Carnivore Care for 2 feedings.
• Make sure she always has fresh water.
• Reintroduce the hornworms.
• See what happens.

Have you got a picnic cooler and some ice packs to keep the hornworms about 55*F? Otherwise they will very soon grow too big for Boomie.

 

[RyoDai89]

Will try to post a new vid later this afternoon!


Will do!


Yeah, got that set up almost as soon as we got back since it was the only cup left of small ones they had and all the others are huge! Will update in a couple days when we re-try hornworms!

 

[RyoDai89]

Doing an update now as... we had very major family problems as of late that resulted in a death in the family... so...

While it's been a while, I figured it would hurt to post something on here...


Nothing has improved. Nothing. She's not gotten worse though! But it's at a complete stand still.

We tried the horn worms... she ignored them.
Didn't flinch away, just flat out ignored em'.
We tried the really expensive silk works they had too! Nadda.
We started feeding her less and less of the carnivore care. To the point that we dropped hornworms in after letting her 'go' for about a little over a week. (9 days I believe) and still nothing.
Her poop is perfectly fine. She didn't poop during the little 'fast' but when we gave her more carnivore care she did and again, it appears normal. She also hasn't lost any weight at all either. Even after the fast she's been the same weight...
The ONLY time she's eaten, without any involvement from us, is when she shed. You could clearly tell she'd eaten her shed as there would be a bit or two, but no other pieces. And all her sheds have appeared to be fine aswell. Coming out in large pieces and not needing our help with toes and such like a couple times before.


She spends majority of her time either on the moist hide on the warm side. Or the cool hide. It's been a realllly long time since she'd been hiding in her 'favorite hide' on the warm side. She'll even come out sometimes and walk around.


Vet told us, maybe she's trying to lose weight and that's why she won't eat... I dunno. Because that doesn't explain her not eating before...


I've bought more Carnivore Care as, while I'm not giving up hope, I do want it around in case she starts losing weight again... All in all I sincerely hope this isn't the norm now as I'm starting to believe it might unfortunately be.


Thank you all so so much for all suggestions and help! They helped out alot greatly! Even if she still won't eat on her own her health has definitely improved and I most definitely learned alot along the way! So thank you all SO so much again!!

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

You're very welcome. I'm very sorry about the death in your family. I hope things have improved.

About your leo: Ignoring hornworms is almost unheard of! :shock: I hope she maintains her weight. Be sure to keep fresh water and a warm moist hide available 24/7.

Have you checked the ground temp in her warm dry hide lately?

 

[RyoDai89]

Thanks. And yeah, things are slowly getting better. Appreciate it!


But yeah, that's what I was told! Even the petshop owner and vet said the same thing. (That's when the vet said he thought that perhaps she felt she was 'putting on too many pounds' and was trying to cut back?)
But yeah, didn't flinch away like the other things we tried... just ignored it like it was another ornament in her tank.

But yeah, she's been maintaining the same weight for a good while now. Even after her little 'fast'. It didn't drop once and her tail is still fat.
And we change the water and wet paper towel everyday, too.


Checked ground temp last night, and it was just below 90 on the warm end. About mid 80's as your going towards the cooler side.
Gonna check here again shortly though.

We've been reallllllly keeping an eye on temps thinking that maybe the cause. And what with her sticking to the cooler side or moist hide (on the warm end). She started doing that though just before the weather changed so... maybe that's it.

She's overall appears perfectly healthy according to all that have seen her including the vet. No one seems to know why she won't eat.
According to him, maybe she was perhaps traumatized but whatever she tried to eat..? Which makes no sense either as when it started she sloooooowly stopped eating. First she stopped eating crickets, then she stopped eating mealworms. Then she ate nothing. He's insisting it has to be either a weight issue or it's 'all in her head' because from what he can tell so far, there isn't anything wrong....

 

[RyoDai89]

UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I honest to god didn't expect to ever make another one!


So, a few days ago our cousin, around my sister's age (10) came over and spent the night for a few days... (They're moving, and we're on the way down.)
She, too, has a leopard gecko... (had to have one because my sister has one because kids) only it's male. They didn't know it at the time, nor did I till' I rushed over after work... but yeah, looked at it and it's definitely male. (It had pores?)
I had to 'rush' over because, the girl's apparently thought it was a good idea for the two geckos to meet and put them in the female's tank... yeeeaaahhh...
Not only is OUR female, the gecko I've been talking about, twice the size of this apparent male. But according to them, our female bit the male on the head so, after they put him back in his tank our's was practically freaking out.
This is what they told me.
Then I got there and witnessed it.
Our's was climbing over stuff, looking EVERY WHERE for this male... I know just to rip him apart.
It was the most active I've ever seen her... but, eh, I'd be pretty pissed too... but still thought nothing of it. I'd make sure they wouldn't 'meet' again, and she'd eventually chill out.
And she did.

Looking at the two, you can definitely see she has MBD. Not too bad. And again, it's better than before. But when you can actually SEE two side by side in comparison you can tell she kinda walks and 'holds her self' alot differently... She kinda drags around... yeah. I felt bad, awful even, but it wasn't something surprising. I knew she had it to a degree. It was just a bit of a shock to compare them... Stillllll thought nothing of it....

HERE's the update!

So, I waited three days in-between to do her 'feeding' tonight. With the carnivore care, as always.
In between those days I try various bugs, nothing works, and then I try the carnivore care...

She wouldn't touch the hornworms, the waxworms, the silkworms, or the roaches our cousin had. (We now have more bugs than animals to eat them.)
BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you KNOW that, after trying and trying... she literally- STILL can't believe it as it JUST happened... ate 3 mealworms and 3 tiny crickets...
I'm not even joking...
The meal worms she practically jumped on. The crickets... she kinda begrudgingly ate... But the crickets, she would ONLY touch the really tiny ones... About the size of the half a dime? Practically cringed at the others...
But yeah, that's all I could get her to eat. After that she started trying to run away, cringing at the bugs like before, and went to hide again...

But! That's gotta be a start right!!??!!??!!

So my thing now is this... She's pretty big, so I know three of those tiny things each are no where near enough to be called 'meal', much less a snack... And she seems to only 'like' the really REALLY tiny crickets. Despite her being big enough to atleast down a cricket 3 or 4 times the size.
Especially when the one male gecko seems to eat any and all sizes. And quite alot too as I fed him myself today.

Should I stop all carnivore care all together now? Will she be okay with just the 3 crickets and 3 mealworms? Is it possible her appetite will increase....? I'm actually quite afraid right now as, I realllllllllly don't want to backtrack and she go back to not eating again.


Goooooood I have so many more questions now. I'm soooo afraid of it going back to the way things have been, that now I can't even get excited because I'm afraid she won't eat again, if not for a verrrrry long while.
If I tried to get smaller hornworms... would that work? Do they even have small ones..? (The one's we have are about 2 or more inches now...)

God, I don't know!
Maybe she stopped eating because of the time?!?
It's 4AM and she was in her moist hide (tried earlier in the day twice before and got nothing. Seen her out not long before, around 3:30AM so I thought it'd be a good time to try.)... should I try again tomorrow afternoon?





(I wanna add, the male is PERFECTLY fine! They say the bite wasn't bad. And he hasn't a mark on him. Just carries on like nothing happened... This was about 5 days ago? He's been fine since so I'm assuming...)

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Thanks. And yeah, things are slowly getting better. Appreciate it!!

You're very welcome.

Family issues are tough, because they may have not happened overnight. I hope that you can see progress. There will be healing.

......

HERE's the update!

So, I waited three days in-between to do her 'feeding' tonight. With the carnivore care, as always.
In between those days I try various bugs, nothing works, and then I try the carnivore care...

She wouldn't touch the hornworms, the waxworms, the silkworms, or the roaches our cousin had. (We now have more bugs than animals to eat them.)
BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you KNOW that, after trying and trying... she literally- STILL can't believe it as it JUST happened... ate 3 mealworms and 3 tiny crickets...
I'm not even joking...
The meal worms she practically jumped on. The crickets... she kinda begrudgingly ate... But the crickets, she would ONLY touch the really tiny ones... About the size of the half a dime? Practically cringed at the others...
But yeah, that's all I could get her to eat. After that she started trying to run away, cringing at the bugs like before, and went to hide again...

But! That's gotta be a start right!!??!!??!!

So my thing now is this... She's pretty big, so I know three of those tiny things each are no where near enough to be called 'meal', much less a snack... And she seems to only 'like' the really REALLY tiny crickets. Despite her being big enough to atleast down a cricket 3 or 4 times the size.
Especially when the one male gecko seems to eat any and all sizes. And quite alot too as I fed him myself today.

Should I stop all carnivore care all together now? Will she be okay with just the 3 crickets and 3 mealworms? Is it possible her appetite will increase....? I'm actually quite afraid right now as, I realllllllllly don't want to backtrack and she go back to not eating again.

Goooooood I have so many more questions now. I'm soooo afraid of it going back to the way things have been, that now I can't even get excited because I'm afraid she won't eat again, if not for a verrrrry long while.
If I tried to get smaller hornworms... would that work? Do they even have small ones..? (The one's we have are about 2 or more inches now...)

God, I don't know!
Maybe she stopped eating because of the time?!?
It's 4AM and she was in her moist hide (tried earlier in the day twice before and got nothing. Seen her out not long before, around 3:30AM so I thought it'd be a good time to try.)... should I try again tomorrow afternoon?

(I wanna add, the male is PERFECTLY fine! They say the bite wasn't bad. And he hasn't a mark on him. Just carries on like nothing happened... This was about 5 days ago? He's been fine since so I'm assuming...)

:yahoo: What a breakthrough!

This is what I'd do. No more Carnivore Care yet. Skip only 1 day. Don't feed today. Feed tomorrow (Monday). First offer her as many tiny crickets as she will eat. Then give her as many mealworms as she will eat. If this goes well, try some lightly dusted ones (with calcium with D3) next time. Update your progress.

Did you keep the hornworms in a picnic cooler @ about 55*F to slow their growth? Maybe she would go for 1/2-3/4 inch ones?

 

[RyoDai89]

Gotcha! Will do!

The crickets she did take were dusted, should I not dust them when I try again?

And yeah, we put them in a cooler thing we built from a DIY we found online. We bought the smallest ones they had, and they haven't grown much either. I only wonder if they were still too big when we bought them. Might be worth going back to see if they have more smaller ones...

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Gotcha! Will do!

The crickets she did take were dusted, should I not dust them when I try again?

And yeah, we put them in a cooler thing we built from a DIY we found online. We bought the smallest ones they had, and they haven't grown much either. I only wonder if they were still too big when we bought them. Might be worth going back to see if they have more smaller ones...

Were her crickets dusted with calcium with D3? If so, I'd skip a few feedings before dusting more of them.

Yes, @ 2 inches the hornworms were too large. Can you find ones about 1 inch long?

 

[RyoDai89]

No, just calcium. Since we've been doing the carnivore care, I didn't want to 'add' anything other than dusting them with calcium.
Should I still dust tomorrow? And with or without D3?

I can try to see if they have smaller ones. We've had them for a while and they barely grew. But at the store they go fast, and that size was the only kind available at the time. I'm off today so I can try then.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

No, just calcium. Since we've been doing the carnivore care, I didn't want to 'add' anything other than dusting them with calcium.
Should I still dust tomorrow? And with or without D3?

I can try to see if they have smaller ones. We've had them for a while and they barely grew. But at the store they go fast, and that size was the only kind available at the time. I'm off today so I can try then.

Use a calcium with D3 on half her crickets next feeding. Do you have the Fluker's Calcium with D3? It would help to know so we can advise you better.

 

[RyoDai89]

Yes. That's the exact kind we have.