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I stumbled across banded geckos today and they seem really interesting, but I can't seem to find a good care sheet .

Should they be housed alone or together?

what are they like?

I am really just looking for basic information

Could one live happily in an 18 x 18 x 12 terrarium?
 
I noticed that they recommend sand for these gecko's even though from what I read ( at least the species I was reading about) live on hard packed soil like the leopard gecko's. Wouldn't the sand be an impaction risk?

And if 1.2-1.3 can be in a 10 gallon then 1 should be very happy in an 18x18x12 :)

The care seems very similar to a leopard gecko but they are a bit smaller and like their warm side a little warmer.
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
I noticed that they recommend sand for these gecko's even though from what I read ( at least the species I was reading about) live on hard packed soil like the leopard gecko's. Wouldn't the sand be an impaction risk?

And if 1.2-1.3 can be in a 10 gallon then 1 should be very happy in an 18x18x12 :)

The care seems very similar to a leopard gecko but they are a bit smaller and like their warm side a little warmer.

Perhaps someone who's actually kept bandeds will chime in?
 

thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
I have never kept any of the Coleonyx species sorry. They're just not my thing. About sand and impaction issues, IMHO that's a typical leo gecko problem, along with some very popular species which have been bred on a large scale without really caring about avoiding inbreeding. Today's leo geckos are indeed prone to impactions through sand and that's why it's risky to have them on such a substrate. That does NOT apply for WC specimens or specimens of pure lineages and identified subspecies. Let me explain: "leopard geckos" are of kinds on the pet trade. 95% of them are hybrids of various subspecies of E. macularius and selected to produce morphs of all kinds, that is, recessive genetic traits which are normally rare in the wild and have become the norm for most of the leo gecko owners. Again IMHO, this and the lack of new blood from wild individuals have created an inbreeding depression which make them way less hardy than their ancestors in the wild. They normally don't have parasites as CBB geckos, but that's another story. "Leo geckos" belonging to this 95% are lacking the character and physical fitness of their wild cousins. Believe me, a WC Eublepharis macularius won't like you to handle it, will try to bite and escape. The remaining 5% are animals kept by a minority of enthusiasts and are pure subspecies such as turcmenicus, fasciolatus or macularius macularius, and don't pose such problems when kept on sand. Anyway, it is often said they eat some sand to try to have some calcium intake. True if it is sand of calcic origin, completely wrong with sand sorts deriving from other rocks. Oh, and these sands found in pet stores with added calcium are totally inappropriate and even dangerous. As for Coleonyx, some species do live in rather wet environments in Central America and they certainly won't feel right if kept on sand. For Coleonyx species from TX and other parts of the US, I'm afraid you have to ask to other people, I really have no idea.
 
That was a really long way of saying they aren't as prone to impaction because they are not a inbred animal lol.

Would it hurt them to keep them on shelf liner like I am doing with my Leo? Its easier to clean if nothing else.

How big do they get? I keep reading different care sheets and getting different information and the one at the top its not even listed. I need to know if I am going to buy supplies :)

Would it be wrong to keep them like a leopard gecko? Diet, supplements and hides wise? They seem similar but Of course there is SO much more info on leopard gecko's.
 

Hilde

Administrator
Staff member
It's impossible to answer your care questions until you let us know which species of banded gecko you're getting. "Banded gecko" is not a good indicator of the species. Google Coleonyx, there are many species, all called "banded gecko" with a locale name.
If you could let us know the latin name, then it's easier to help you with care info.
 
I really like the black banded but I cant find much info ( sorry I am on my phone and can't figure out how to copy the scientific name) , which are the most common?

I guess I should also ask which other geckos would do well in this size terrarium. And just research and look at them all and decide.
 
I should mention I don't want anything with very complicated care either. I love the fact that my gecko only needs a heater, bugs and dustings, plus cleaning his cage is so easy.
 

thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
That was a really long way of saying they aren't as prone to impaction because they are not a inbred animal lol.

Would it hurt them to keep them on shelf liner like I am doing with my Leo? Its easier to clean if nothing else.

How big do they get? I keep reading different care sheets and getting different information and the one at the top its not even listed. I need to know if I am going to buy supplies :)

Would it be wrong to keep them like a leopard gecko? Diet, supplements and hides wise? They seem similar but Of course there is SO much more info on leopard gecko's.

We try to have people use their brain here rather than throwing facts without explaining why you should do this and not do that. And also avoid copying and pasting care sheets contents without a critical eye on them. Let's start from here.

-size: way smaller than leopard geckos for most Coleonyx species. Way less body bulk, and about 5-7" with tail depending on species. You would have known this quickly through a Google search.

-So, some of the enclosure elements must be reduced in size accordingly compared to leos, shelters in the first place as well as water dishes. You wouldn't want them to drown in a too big water dish. All geckos also feel safer inside a tight space when they are inside shelters.

-Climatic differences: there are some differences between Afghanistan/Pakistan drylands where leos originally dwell and deserts in TX or NM. A tad more humidity than for leos is beneficial for Coleonyx species. Keep this in mind to ensure you have one or several "wet hides" or shedding places. Don't use stuff to retain humidity which would be likely to create impaction -vermiculite, sphagnum moss and whatever can be swallowed and enlarges when wet. Cheap version: hides with moist tissues inside them. Luxury ones: same but with natural sponge. That said, the most clever thing to do for any question about temperatures and seasonal cycles is to browse weather data websites for areas where the Coleonyx are from. Extremes are to be avoided. It may be 30°F or even lower in deserts, but your geckos won't survive such extremes. When it happens in the wild, they are under cover and the precise places where they stay have less variations than air temps. If you have ranges of, say, 30 to 120°F on weather databases, reduce it to 65-85 and you are very likely to be quite close to the actual conditions in the wild. From a bit lower than the middle value (75 for 30-120) to a bit higher. No matter what this and that care sheets say. It's just common sense and a tad bit of knowledge on how geckos behave.

-Substrate: you have to choose between easy to clean or naturalistic. I'd personally go for a floor half covered with natural slate tiles on the warmer side and something smoother and conducting heat less well on the cooler half/end, very fine sand could do. That said, i don't know if they are used to swallow sand like leos do. In any case, a plastic cup with some powdered calcium certainly won't hurt. Calcium and nothing else, no phosphorous, no D3. Dusting properly gutloaded insects will be enough for other minerals and vitamins needs. I'd recommend Miner-All I on every feeding. It just works with all the gecko species I have kept. Vitamins - I tend to recommend more and more only using fresh veg and greens to feed roaches, crickets or whatever you're feeding your geckos, unless there is a proven issue of vitamin deficiency. Most vitamin supplements on the market are overdosed, and that's a problem on the long run.

Now, maybe something you won't find in care sheets, Coleonyx species are way more secretive and eager to stay under cover than leos. Depends also on your setup, but I'd really expect not to see them that much. They are also more "nervous" than leos and faster. Have you ever seen some Coleonyx live? That would help, if you can see some near you in a pet store, definitely watch them at different times of the day/evening. Some of my buddies have lots of them, different species, and if you like to see your geckos very often, you wouldn't be so happy. Depends also on what you expect and what your personal tastes are. Oh, and smaller bodies also imply they are a bit more fragile than leos. Smaller bodies dehydrate, overheat or get too cold more quickly, you know what I mean.

See, with some observations and a good dose of common sense, you'll manage better than with several care sheets not necessarily saying the same or giving the same values and advice. ;)
 
Some of the sheets were saying 3-4 inches some said 5-8 ... Better to get accurate info than trust inaccurate care sheets.

I don't actually see my Leo much but I do love feeding him just watching him hunt is adorable, I they can be ok with that I am fine. I don't need to be hands on and while I would prefer non aggressive I do have experience with aggressive animals and that can be worked around.

I do love natural but I also do not like taking risks with my pets.

Why I needed to know their size was to know exactly what size hides and such to get I assumed I would need the small exo terra hides with them

I am answering what I can at the moment I appreciate the in depth answer its just hard to read when all I have is my phone at the moment.

What am I looking for if I get a second gecko ... A small animal that only needs under belly heat no lighting, that isn't likely to attack and has a pattern I find appealing.
 
I am finally home. My favorite of the subspecies is the Coleonyx fasciatus by far But I don't know how available they are which is why I am looking at others.
 

thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
I can't tell you about availabilities in the US, you can see my actual nationality under my username. You have a chance to grab some by contacting Aaron LaForge on Facebook. He lives in WI but does go to the major shows and I think he also ships all over the US.

I was about to ask you to give a precise species name with the real latin, scientific name lol. As I said, size depends on species. As far as I can remember, fasciatus are not the commonest species so they are probably a bit more expensive than brevis, still way more affordable than switackii. As far as I remember, fasciatus are more like 5" with tail as adults, the tail is also thinner and does move a lot compared to leos, they wave it to communicate basic patterns such as fear, predation, willingness to mate...Hope that helps. As I underlined from scratch, I'm no Coleonyx expert, and have never kept any. I'm just used to lots of different species and applying care requirements from data about a given species' habitat in the wild.
 
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