how to feed by hand?

lbanta

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My Vastra is very challenged, I believe, visually. She strikes toward motion but misses each time. After a couple tries she loses interest. I try to tong feed, sometimes I am lucky, if I pull it right in front of her. Most of the time she ignores it and seems irritated or she just freezes and stays that way with her head up or she tries to climb up against the glass to get out. I do feed her in a small aquarium because I have tried to feed her in her home tank and she can't see them to get them at all and they just crawl off and hide under things. I tried the bowl feed she will get into the bowl to check it out but can't get the bugs. I have a large low bowl of mealworms in her tank but she hasn't eaten any of them. She will walk thru the bowl but not eat any of them. Over the last month she may have eaten 8 crickets. She does poop the following day after she gets one. She appears healthy looking. She was chubby to begin with but has lost 5 gms this last month. She is ten or eleven months old and did weigh 55 gms but now is down to 49. She is 8 inches long. She is healthy so I am not too worried about her. But it does upset me when I see her strike a couple times trying to get something to eat miss a few times and then just lose interest and not eat that day. I have tried taking the back legs off the crickets. Dropping them right in front of her. I have done the same with dubias and meal worms to no avail. With tongs I can sometimes put something in just the right spot and she gets it. But that only works seldomly. I know all my husbandry for her is appropriate according to this sites recommendations. I have tried to hold a bug up to her face she might even lick it but she has not taken it. I am frustrated and don't want her to lose any more weight. Any suggestions how to help a visually handicapped leo. 6 months ago she would catch 6 crickets at a setting, she would pounce and miss but she was determined enough that she kept trying and usually got enough that even though I could tell she had some depth perception difficulties she still could get the job done. Now if she catches one every three days we are lucky. Dubias are even more difficult because After she see them they hunker down like little tanks and she goes right over them and it's like they are not there. If I could teach her to eat something out of my hand or if I need to find a better way to introduce bugs on the tong. It is hard when she seems to not be able to see it But she does seem to be able to see me in the room because she follows me with her eyes. Perhaps she is only farsighted. I am frustrated. Any suggestions would be happily received. Anybody know where I can get a pair of tiny spectacles! LOL! :yikes:
 
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lbanta

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Has anyone had experience with visual impairment?

I would love any suggestions or help available!:roll:
 

acpart

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Here are 2 suggestions:
1. hand feeding: Hold the gecko gently in one hand. push a feeder gently against her mouth until she bites it. Then let it go and let her finish the job.

2. for self feeding, try super worms. You can even hold down one end of the worm so it can't get away and see if she's more successful eating them. They move more than mealworms, but are bigger and slower than crickets.

Aliza
 

lbanta

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Elizabeth, I have tried to turn the dubia's on their back. Vastra does not seem to see them, they just flip themselves back over and she doesn't seem to see them. Alisa I will try your method of hand feeding and see if I can get her to eat that way. Thank you so much for the suggestions it is very frustrating!
 
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lbanta

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Aliza, I have tried two days to hold her gently and put a soft cricket body up to her mouth. She won't open her mouth. Today I squeezed some cricket guts on to her mouth area and she was interested in licking it. But I still couldn't get that cricket in that mouth. After watching her try to pounce repeatedly and missing and then losing interest. I am desperate to find an alternate feed option. You would think if she was hungry she would open her mouth. I tried also with soft just molted meal worm. I can see she is losing weight. She is still healthy looking because she was chubby. I just don't want her to end up sick. I will continue to see If I can get her used to me trying to offer her food. Any more suggestions?
 
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lbanta

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Very good I am going to try that, if she doesn't eat. She shed last night and usually she is not hungry for a couple days. I don't know why that video didn't show up on Elizabeth's post yesterday because it is there today. Thanks for helping kholtme! :)
 

lbanta

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The link worked today, Eiizabeth! Thanks for the video. They say a picture is worth a thousand words!! :)
 

lbanta

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Well I spent some time last evening trying to stroke the side of Vastra's mouth to see if I could get her to open it to put a bug in there. Well she resisted, I got her to open to try to bite me! LOL! I did succeed in getting a bug in there but she spit it out. It was bit through pretty thoroughly with guts exposed. Tried a couple more time to put that gooey bug back in there with no avail. Later I saw her out scouting around in her tank so I took one of the smallest dubias I have and put it on it's back near her. She was interested in it but it turned over and ran away, I did this numerous times. I took out her moist and warm hide to get at the bug that kept getting away. Well in my retrieval of that dubia with the tongs as many times as I did must have caused some neurological damage to the bug because I put it down one last time and it started to walk in a tiny circle, this of course caught Vastra's attention and she came over and grabbed it and swallowed it down. I almost thought it was too big for her cause she seemed to struggle just a little on the swallow, but she did get it down! So I know I could never repeat that event. Wish I could because that bug walking in that small circle and not running away from her was just the trick for her to get him! Nom Nom! I will continue to see if I can get her used to me stroking her mouth to open it. But as for now I am satisfied for a few days because that was a pretty big Dubia.
 

lbanta

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I couldn't take a photo tonight, but I saw a teeny tiny little bitty piece of skin left on the end of one of Vastra's toes. It was like at the tiny fingernail area. I tried to see if it would brush off but she wouldn't hold still. It doesn't seem to be constricting anything. Should I worry about it at all. Or should I give her a bath and see it it will come off. I don't want to overly stress her. She is a little freaked out because I tried to get her to open her mouth for feeding a couple days in a row. She still wanted me to pick her up today but was pretty flighty.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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As long as the skin is not constricting anything I would not worry.

In the future, after a soak when the skin is somewhat loosened, you could try brushing that nail with a very soft bristled toothbrush.
 

lbanta

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I am just so beyond myself frustrated. I put about ten crickets in vastras tank and took out the furnishing. She followed them all around and pounced about 6 or seven times to miss each time. So then she just loses interest. She pouces right at them but doesn't get them, occasionally she will catch a leg. I took her out and tried again to get her to open her mouth so I could put a cricket body in her mouth. I got it in there with much struggle twice. and she just spit it back out. I squeezed guts on her nose and she licked at it but would not take the rest of the cricket. She has absolutely no interest in meal worms and can not get dubias at all, she can't seem to get ahold of them. They won't stay on their backs long enough and on their tummies she just walks right over them. She seems hungry and interested in hunting but can't seem to get them. I used to be able to drag a cricket in front of her with tongs and she would get it. But if she sees the tongs she won't have anything to do with it. I may have gotten her to eat one cricket a week for the last month. She is 51gm and 8 inches long and one year old. She is not thin but she is losing weight. I wouldn't worry if I didn't see her trying to get the prey which means to me she wants to eat. She just simply can't get them.
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acpart

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She looks pretty healthy in the picture. Here's another idea that I've had some success with. Instead of using tongs, hold the cricket by the leg and wiggle it. That worked really well for my poor hunters.

Aliza
 

lbanta

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Yes I have tried by hand also and she had a history of getting a larger cricket easier than a tiny one. She won't take anything from me at all. Stubborn little stinker! I know she still looks good. And that makes me not be too worried. But since she pounces, it tells me she wants to eat. It makes me so sad to see her try and fail! Thanks for letting me vent!
 
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