Flying Gecko-Please Help!

ColdFire6778

New member
Hi! I am a new member to Geckos Unlimited. I have fallen in love with flying geckos and really want one, and I have a friend who is selling theirs with the terrarium, stand, crickets, etc. and sent me some pictures, but I was wondering what anyone else thought. I could also ask her if she could send me some more pictures if anyone wanted, but so far this is what she's sent me. But, like, do you guys think I should buy it based off what you can tell from the pictures I've sent so far?

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Deva

New member
I have never kept this species. But from the reading I have done, I don't think the cage is proper. Just from the pictures, it looks like a long, low cage, whereas the flying gecko needs a tall cage that is on the large side. They should have a lot of branches, vertical and horizontal.

If I were to purchase this animal, I would ditch the cage.

It is hard to tell the condition of the animal from the one picture. I think it looks thin to me. I would be cautious.
 

ColdFire6778

New member
I have never kept this species. But from the reading I have done, I don't think the cage is proper. Just from the pictures, it looks like a long, low cage, whereas the flying gecko needs a tall cage that is on the large side. They should have a lot of branches, vertical and horizontal.

If I were to purchase this animal, I would ditch the cage.

It is hard to tell the condition of the animal from the one picture. I think it looks thin to me. I would be cautious.



I agree, the cage is more fit for a bearded dragon than a gecko. I also agree that the gecko looks quite thin, they told me they are solely feeding it gut loaded crickets, and I don't know the frequency. I'll look into it more and try to get some more info about it before buying it and will probably sell the cage it comes with and get a tall one instead if I do buy it, too. Anyway, thanks for the help!
 

ColdFire6778

New member
A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited!

Is this flyer captive bred or wild caught?

I asked her and she said all she knew was they got it from a pet store :? not the best info but I'm guessing it might be wild caught because from what I've read most pet stores sell wild caught ones, but I don't know for sure.

Also, thanks for the warm welcome! :);-)
 
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Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
Hmm, I don't know-I'll ask if they know. Definitely something to find out, thanks!

Wild caught flyers usually come in with bright red orangish mites on their skins. These mites can be permanently removed by dabbing vegetable oil on them one by one until they are gone. It's important to get every one or they will return.

  • Use q-tip moistened with vegetable oil.
  • Dab one mite to smother.
  • Brush off that mite with a dry q-tip.
  • Repeat till all mites are gone.
Mite-free is one benefit to purchasing captive bred flyers. In the USA there are breeders. I especially know of one. I'll PM you.
 

ColdFire6778

New member
Wild caught flyers usually come in with bright red orangish mites on their skins. These mites can be permanently removed by dabbing vegetable oil on them one by one until they are gone. It's important to get every one or they will return.

  • Use q-tip moistened with vegetable oil.
  • Dab one mite to smother.
  • Brush off that mite with a dry q-tip.
  • Repeat till all mites are gone.
Mite-free is one benefit to purchasing captive bred flyers. In the USA there are breeders. I especially know of one. I'll PM you.

Thanks! ;-)
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
I asked her and she said all she knew was they got it from a pet store :? not the best info but I'm guessing it might be wild caught because from what I've read most pet stores sell wild caught ones, but I don't know for sure.

This flyer looks very stressed out. There is no cover for it to hide. :( It is not a good sign for flyers to be hanging out on the substrate. :( If recently purchased by the current owner, this gecko could be dehydrated. Hard to tell from that photo.

How much are they asking for the gecko? Captive bred flyers go for about $60. I think it's worth the cost. I have a captive hatched female who will be 12 yo this June. That's the one in my avatar. I do have a handsome WC male that I purchased about 8 years ago for $15. That one came with 28 mites. I removed them all. He's doing fine too!

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...s-personal-care-sheet-ptychozoon-species.html
 
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thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
DON'T buy the gecko displayed on pics. It is close to dying, and kept under totally inappropriate conditions. Seeing one staying on the floor is never a good sign, and it looks fairly dehydrated.
You can obtain captive-bred Ptychozoon (kuhli or lionotum, both species are very close to each other and are to be kept exactly in the same wy) by browsing classifieds here and there. This means much, much less trouble than buying WC ones for a tad bit more of money. Imports come in droves from Java usually, they always arrive dehydrated and with both red mites and internal parasites. You don't seem to have enough experience to deal with such animals, so better buy CBB ones.

They are arboreal, territorial, nocturnal and quite fast, with flattened bodies. You need an escape-proof enclosure, as high as possible - 2 to 3' high at least with a fairly large floor surface as well as these guys will jump from one side of the enclosure to another. They like more warmth than most gecko species with a basking spot in the 95-100°F range, females will bask there when gravid. Night temps of 75-78, cool end during the day around 85. Frequent, at least daily, mistings are required. They love bamboos placed both horizontally and vertically as perches and cork pieces as hides. I use large water dishes for them as they will drink from them a lot, especially when arriving dehydrated. CBB ones are rock-hardy critters, I do not recommend handling them as they will stress out a lot, try to escape and bite you. They really are escape artists if the enclosure is not properly set up...and climb walls and glass as well. Still, they are fantastic display geckos with good appetite - subadult crickets will do as a staple diet, dusted on every feeding with Miner-All I, feed them 2-3 times weekly when they are adults, more often with juveniles. And again, DON'T buy the animal on the above pics!

Hervé
 

thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
Ptychozoon kuhli have rows of tubercular scales forming small lines of bumps on their backs, these bumps are tiny so you need to examine each specimen carefully. Ptychozoon lionotum never have these rows of bumps, have smaller and narrower tail tips, the webbing of their feet is also a bit different, with one clearly dissociated toe in the front limbs. Don't mix lionotum and kuhli as they won't breed with each other.
 

thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
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These are 2 of my well-acclimated WC kuhlis, notice the line of tiny bumps just on the edge of the paler one.
 

ColdFire6778

New member
This flyer looks very stressed out. There is no cover for it to hide. :( It is not a good sign for flyers to be hanging out on the substrate. :( If recently purchased by the current owner, this gecko could be dehydrated. Hard to tell from that photo.

How much are they asking for the gecko? Captive bred flyers go for about $60. I think it's worth the cost. I have a captive hatched female who will be 12 yo this June. That's the one in my avatar. I do have a handsome WC male that I purchased about 8 years ago for $15. That one came with 28 mites. I removed them all. He's doing fine too!

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...s-personal-care-sheet-ptychozoon-species.html

Thank you so much for the info! The price for the flyer (which comes with the cage, stand, etc.) is $100- I don't think it's worth the money compared to the prices you've listed above. I would get a different cage anyway, and the stand is black, which doesn't even match the furniture in my house, so really I don't think it's worth it. Thanks again! :biggrin:
 

ColdFire6778

New member
Thank you so much, Elizabeth Freer and Thorrshamri! I really agree, I've researched flyers some more and laying on the substrate is definitely a no-good. The whole terrarium looks overall dry and desert-like, which also isn't good. They have sand for a substrate,which keeps the humidity down, so that's another problem, too. Thank you all so much for your help-I will definitely use this site more often!!! :biggrin:;-)
 

thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
You should buy some healthy and plump CBB ones. I think Elizabeth produces some, or else you'll find some on Fauna Classifieds or maybe in our own GU classifieds. I'm not too sure on the US market prices but here they go for $ 30 as wild imports and no more than $ 60 as CBB each.
 

ColdFire6778

New member
You should buy some healthy and plump CBB ones. I think Elizabeth produces some, or else you'll find some on Fauna Classifieds or maybe in our own GU classifieds. I'm not too sure on the US market prices but here they go for $ 30 as wild imports and no more than $ 60 as CBB each.

Great! Thank you again so much this has really been a huge help:) I doubt I'd have the opritunity of getting a healthy flyer and the knowledge from all of this wonderful information you all have given me if it weren't for this amazing website-thank you Geckos Unlimited!!!:yahoo::cheer::)
 

thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
Just in case, Geitje on the forum can probably offer you a pair or more of these as CBB and ship them to you overnight ;)
 

ColdFire6778

New member
**UPDATE**
I asked for more pictures and it looks great in the new pictures, healthy, good size, not thin or sunken, and it wasn't on the substrate, either. It was climbing on some rocks in the terrarium. Here's a pic-the other thing she sent me was a video, so until I find out how to upload a video from Instagram I don't know how to get it onto here. Anyhow, here's the pic! I'll make a before and after sort of thing so you can see the difference.
View attachment 34957heres how it looked before-maybe this is what it looked like when they first bought it or something? Anyhow, drumroll please for......
View attachment 34956 Tada!!!!here's how it looks now! I don't know why it looked so bad before but what matters is that they changed it up so it looks much more healthy now. What do you guys think about how it looks now? Also I'll make sure that once I figure out how to download the video so I can add it to this thread, I'll add it ASAP. Any thoughts would be appreciated, thanks!

UPDATE:I couldn't upload the video so here's some screenshots I took of the flyer in the video:
View attachment 34958View attachment 34959 (p.s. The flyer's mouth is opened a little in the first picture because it stuck out its tongue some)
 

thorrshamri

Moderator/The French Viking Moderathorr
I still wouldn't buy it :p You don't know about its load of internal parasites. It is obviously WC, and when you have little or no experience with WC (wild-caught), it soon turns to be expensive, generates headaches, and you are at risk of losing that animal. It is still kept in a wrong setup. I know what you have under your eyes can be more tempting than what you can just see through pics on classifieds, but you have to use some wisdom and avoid future problems and expenses.

How about buying another species as CBB? I'm thinking of 2 parthenogenic species, parthenogenic meaning females lay fertile eggs without the "help" of any male, without fecundation. Babies are all females and clones of the mother, genetically speaking. Mourning geckos are in that case, it's a widespread and really easy species which you can keep at room temps with some moisture. The latin name for them is Lepidodactylus lugubris. They are smaller than Flying geckos, but really suitable for a beginner and not expensive at all. I'm in France but just to give you a price range, I sell mine for 10 euros each, barely $11. You can also consider another parthenogenic species, also with cryptic coloration like Flying geckos and very active, Hemiphyllodactylus typus, barely 3" long with tail but very active and funny. They are a bit more pricey ($30-60 for one) but as easy to care for as Mourning geckos. ;)
 
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