Do I Need To Gutload?

FallOutFighter

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I'm going to be getting a leopard gecko soon. The crickets for it will be feed fresh carrots and apple slices. I am going to be dusting the crickets before every feeding with Repashy Calcium Plus which includes Calcium, D3, and vitamins. Do I need to feed the crickets anything else or will the fruits and vegetables be good enough if I'm also dusting the crickets?
 

Elizabeth Freer

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I'm going to be getting a leopard gecko soon. The crickets for it will be feed fresh carrots and apple slices. I am going to be dusting the crickets before every feeding with Repashy Calcium Plus which includes Calcium, D3, and vitamins. Do I need to feed the crickets anything else or will the fruits and vegetables be good enough if I'm also dusting the crickets?

Fresh carrots and apple slices alone are not enough for crickets even with dusted calcium, D3, and multivitamins. Crickets need a balanced staple dry diet so that they are as nutritious as possible before your leopard gecko eats them.

Think about humans. We would not be very healthy if we tried to get all our nutrients via multivitamin tablets.

:idea:: "Build" a better insect and you will have a healthier leo.

All feeder insects should receive most of their nutrition directly via their diet. Adding high calcium, low phosphorus veggies to the side is excellent. :) Light dusting with powdered supplements should be considered a secondary source of vitamins and minerals, not the primary source.

This very reliable United States Department of Agriculture link can help you balance calcium, phosphorus, and all: Foods List

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...feeding-issues-/68574-cricket-guidelines.html
 
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FallOutFighter

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Fresh carrots and apple slices alone are not enough for crickets even with dusted calcium, D3, and multivitamins. Crickets need a balanced staple dry diet so that they are as nutritious as possible before your leopard gecko eats them.

Think about humans. We would not be very healthy if we tried to get all our nutrients via multivitamin tablets.

:idea:: "Build" a better insect and you will have a healthier leo.

All feeder insects should receive most of their nutrition directly via their diet. Adding high calcium, low phosphorus veggies to the side is excellent. :) Light dusting with powdered supplements should be considered a secondary source of vitamins and minerals, not the primary source.

This very reliable United States Department of Agriculture link can help you balance calcium, phosphorus, and all: Foods List

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...feeding-issues-/68574-cricket-guidelines.html

The only dry cricket food that is offered at the pet stores near me is Fluker's Hi Calcium Cricket Feed is that good enough? Here is the link: Amazon.com : Fluker's Hi Calcium Cricket Feed, 11.5 oz : Dry Pet Food : Pet Supplies

Honestly at this point I'm considering not even getting another reptile and just sticking with my crested gecko. I don't think I can handle all the complicated demands of keeping a leopard gecko. Their are just so many things to do to keep it healthy and happy.
 
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Elizabeth Freer

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The only dry cricket food that is offered at the pet stores near me is Fluker's Hi Calcium Cricket Feed is that good enough? Here is the link: Amazon.com : Fluker's Hi Calcium Cricket Feed, 11.5 oz : Dry Pet Food : Pet Supplies

Honestly at this point I'm considering not even getting another reptile and just sticking with my crested gecko. I don't think I can handle all the complicated demands of keeping a leopard gecko. Their are just so many things to do to keep it healthy and happy.

PetSmart carries this: Amazon.com: zoo med natural adult bearded dragon food: Pet Supplies

Another option is Purina Layena Sunfresh Crumbles from a feed store. If you live on USA's West Coast, Albers' All Purpose Poultry Feed is an option.

Which details are you struggling with? :( Once you have your leo setup, its care is easy.
 

FallOutFighter

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PetSmart carries this: Amazon.com: zoo med natural adult bearded dragon food: Pet Supplies

Another option is Purina Layena Sunfresh Crumbles from a feed store. If you live on USA's West Coast, Albers' All Purpose Poultry Feed is an option.

Which details are you struggling with? :( Once you have your leo setup, its care is easy.

I live in BC Canada so their are a lot less choices especial when it comes to the pet stores. The things that seem somewhat complicated are the feeding and the supplementing. Everyone has different opinions so it's hard to feel confident and sure in what I'm doing. Also the price might be an issue considering here in Canada the setup including the gecko will cost around $350 - $400. I definitely want to put some more thought into it before making a decision but I appreciate the help that you have provided��
 

Elizabeth Freer

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I live in BC Canada so their are a lot less choices especial when it comes to the pet stores. The things that seem somewhat complicated are the feeding and the supplementing. Everyone has different opinions so it's hard to feel confident and sure in what I'm doing. Also the price might be an issue considering here in Canada the setup including the gecko will cost around $350 - $400. I definitely want to put some more thought into it before making a decision but I appreciate the help that you have provided��

In BC you have something like Craigslist. Maybe you can find a good deal on the vivarium. If so, disinfect it first with a 10% bleach solution.

A minimum 20 gallon long will be good for an 9 inch, 70 gram leo for life: 30 x 12.5 x 12.5 inches; 76.2 x 31.75 x 31.75 cm.

There is more than one way to keep a leo. When starting out, it's important to trust someone. There are many conflicting ideas out there. Some work much better than do others. I recommend a basic way that works. All the hides can be homemade for a while. You mention crickets. That's a good staple food. That's what I primarily feed my leo. Some people feed variety all the time. Feeding some variety once in a while is good too. If you concentrate on crickets and feed them well, your leo will be healthy. :)

Your crestie will also love crickets. :)

As far as supplements, some people like Repashy's Calcium Plus. It's a good product. I just have no experience using it. I use Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 and Zoo Med's no D3 Reptivite multivitamins. Those have worked well for many leo keepers here. They have also been happy with the results they've seen when feeding their bugs including crickets Zoo Med's Adult Bearded Dragon Food with a lid of collards on the side.

Maybe you can get Albers in BC?

Click: Albers Animal Feeds - Albers® All Purpose Poultry and Water Fowl
 
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FallOutFighter

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In BC you have something like Craigslist. Maybe you can find a good deal on the vivarium. If so, disinfect it first with a 10% bleach solution.

A minimum 20 gallon long will be good for an 9 inch, 70 gram leo for life: 30 x 12.5 x 12.5 inches; 76.2 x 31.75 x 31.75 cm.

There is more than one way to keep a leo. When starting out, it's important to trust someone. There are many conflicting ideas out there. Some work much better than do others. I recommend a basic way that works. All the hides can be homemade for a while. You mention crickets. That's a good staple food. That's what I primarily feed my leo. Some people feed variety all the time. Feeding some variety once in a while is good too. If you concentrate on crickets and feed them well, your leo will be healthy. :)

Your crestie will also love crickets. :)

As far as supplements, some people like Repashy's Calcium Plus. It's a good product. I just have no experience using it. I use Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 and Zoo Med's no D3 Reptivite multivitamins. Those have worked well for many leo keepers here. They have also been happy with the results they've seen when feeding their bugs including crickets Zoo Med's Adult Bearded Dragon Food with a lid of collards on the side.

Maybe you can get Albers in BC?

Click: Albers Animal Feeds - Albers® All Purpose Poultry and Water Fowl

Well I like to buy things new so that might be the problem. Here is the list of things I'm planning to buy for the setup can you let me know if I have the basics covered.

20 gallon glass tank - $95
Heat Mat - $35
Thermostat - $55
cricket keeper - $30
Repashy Calcium Plus - $20
2 hides - $30
Leopard Gecko - $75
IR Thermometer - $25
2 Air Thermometers - $25
Hygrometer - $10
Paper towel
Water Bowl - $10
Food Dish - $10

The prices are crazy that's what it's like living in Canada. Also for the moist hide I'm making my own out of a plastic container. None of the gutload you suggested is available is it possible to make my own?
 

JessJohnson87

New member
Crickets are omnivores and scavengers by nature. They’ll eat just about anything that is available to them (including their fellow crickets), which means you must be super careful about what you provide in their habitat. You’ll want to feed them a highly nutritious diet, especially if they are going to be consumed by your reptiles or amphibians. There are plenty of options when it comes to feeding crickets. They need a dry source of food, as well as a watery or fresh source of food. You can pick some of these dry foods and also offer a couple of the wet foods to give your crickets a balanced meal.

Here are some of the best dry foods you can feed to your crickets:

1.) Crushed cat food, dog food, chicken feed ( if possible, you’ll want to use vegetable based feed)

2.) Cricket chow – This is commercially produced cricket feed. You can find this for sale at any place that sells crickets.

3.) Mixed seeds and nuts - unsalted raw sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, almonds, peanuts

4.) Alfalfa – course ground or powdered

5.) Wheat Bran

And these are some of the best fresh foods you can feed to your crickets:

1.) Greens – romaine lettuce, collard greens, mustard greens, dandelion leaves, broccoli

2.) Potatoes – These are a cricket favorite. They even enjoy sweet potatoes.

3.) Carrots

4.) Fruits – apples, oranges, grapefruits, berries, mango, papaya, banana

Dairy products can also be used as part of the dry or wet food sources. Dry milk is often used as an ingredient in cricket gut loading recipes. Gut loading is a term used to describe the process of stuffing your crickets with lots of nutritious foods right before you feed them to your lizards, frogs, or any other pet. Typically, a gut load consists of a mixture of all of the healthiest foods that you are already feeding to your crickets. The difference between regular feeding and gut loading is that when you gut load, you are combining multiple types of foods together to overload the nutritional value.

Crickets should be served a gut load regularly for a few days before they are fed to your pets. If you feed them the gut load too soon, you’ll be wasting it. If you don’t feed it soon enough, there won’t be sufficient nutrition to pass on to your pets.

found this on a website about cricket breeding.
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
I do not recommend some of the foods posted above:
  • cat or dog food, dry or moist
  • wheat bran or wheat germ --- hugely high in phosphorus, very low in calcium
  • potatoes
  • most any high phosphorus ingredient
We strive to achieve a 1.5-2.0 calcium to a 1.0 phosphorus ratio in the insects and worms we feed our geckos. If we use wheat bran, for instance, how is that ever possible?

Check potential ingredients against this USDA link:
wheat bran
Show Foods

potatoes
Show Foods
 
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FallOutFighter

New member
Crickets are omnivores and scavengers by nature. They’ll eat just about anything that is available to them (including their fellow crickets), which means you must be super careful about what you provide in their habitat. You’ll want to feed them a highly nutritious diet, especially if they are going to be consumed by your reptiles or amphibians. There are plenty of options when it comes to feeding crickets. They need a dry source of food, as well as a watery or fresh source of food. You can pick some of these dry foods and also offer a couple of the wet foods to give your crickets a balanced meal.

Here are some of the best dry foods you can feed to your crickets:

1.) Crushed cat food, dog food, chicken feed ( if possible, you’ll want to use vegetable based feed)

2.) Cricket chow – This is commercially produced cricket feed. You can find this for sale at any place that sells crickets.

3.) Mixed seeds and nuts - unsalted raw sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, almonds, peanuts

4.) Alfalfa – course ground or powdered

5.) Wheat Bran

And these are some of the best fresh foods you can feed to your crickets:

1.) Greens – romaine lettuce, collard greens, mustard greens, dandelion leaves, broccoli

2.) Potatoes – These are a cricket favorite. They even enjoy sweet potatoes.

3.) Carrots

4.) Fruits – apples, oranges, grapefruits, berries, mango, papaya, banana

Dairy products can also be used as part of the dry or wet food sources. Dry milk is often used as an ingredient in cricket gut loading recipes. Gut loading is a term used to describe the process of stuffing your crickets with lots of nutritious foods right before you feed them to your lizards, frogs, or any other pet. Typically, a gut load consists of a mixture of all of the healthiest foods that you are already feeding to your crickets. The difference between regular feeding and gut loading is that when you gut load, you are combining multiple types of foods together to overload the nutritional value.

Crickets should be served a gut load regularly for a few days before they are fed to your pets. If you feed them the gut load too soon, you’ll be wasting it. If you don’t feed it soon enough, there won’t be sufficient nutrition to pass on to your pets.

found this on a website about cricket breeding.

I agree with Elizabeth I think some of the food options you recommend are not suitable especially if crickets are being fed to a leopard gecko.
 

JessJohnson87

New member
found it on a cricket breeding website, forgot to omit the ones that are just too much "junk" I found a cricket block that I use for mine. I still dust them to be on the safe side, but only lightly.
 

Hilde

Administrator
Staff member
None of the gutload you suggested is available is it possible to make my own?

Check this: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...rition/49403-feeder-insect-diets-gutload.html

I go to Bulk Barn, get all the gutload ingredients to last about a year, for $20CDN, or less. It's enough to feed all the crickets, mealworms and superworms I need for 40+ geckos.

Don't use dog or cat food of any kind - kibble, canned, moist, etc. for your insects. The protein is too high, and other nutrients are out of proportion, not wise to use as gutload for insects destined to be fed to geckos.
 
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