Swisswiss's terrarium

Elizabeth Freer

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no need to be sorry liz I appreciate the help. was able to make a small warm hide as well letting excavator dry a bit and then ill post a pic....

P.s: could use your wisdom on my other post regarding food farming

I just shared a feeder chart and article regarding Mark Finke, Ph.D. His study was done in 2005.

Is there some way for you not to use the excavator clay on the warm side at least over the UTH? Then it will not interfere with heat conduction to the tile/slate.
 

swisswiss

Member
the tile is resting on the bare bottom of my tank and I then molded the excavator bed around it. so literally the heat mat heats the glass it glued to, which in turn heats the tile thats sitting directly on top of it.... this is ok right? there is no layer of excavator between the bottom of the tile and the bottom of the terrarium if this is what you mean.

i placed some excavator on top of the tile to break the rectangular shape of the tile but i dont think that does much harm no?

and thx i saw that link very good information, i printed the chart for quick reference
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
the tile is resting on the bare bottom of my tank and I then molded the excavator bed around it. so literally the heat mat heats the glass it glued to, which in turn heats the tile thats sitting directly on top of it.... this is ok right? there is no layer of excavator between the bottom of the tile and the bottom of the terrarium if this is what you mean.

i placed some excavator on top of the tile to break the rectangular shape of the tile but i dont think that does much harm no?

and thx i saw that link very good information, i printed the chart for quick reference

You are welcome.

One puzzle is solved! I'd been wondering just how you made the "puzzle-shaped" tile! :biggrin: I don't know how much the excavator clay will insulate the UTH on those places.
 

swisswiss

Member
hahaha ill take that as a compliment! well there actually seems to be a 1-.5 degree difference between the different basking "zones"
 

Zux

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hahaha ill take that as a compliment! well there actually seems to be a 1-.5 degree difference between the different basking "zones"

Just to be of some assistance here since I use Excavator Clay for many of my Terrariums, you can safely use anything up to around 5mm of Excavator Clay with the mix you have mentioned and it will safely conduct the heat via UTH.

Zoo-Med advise against it as a general rule due to the fact it is common for people to use deep layers when forming their landscapes with this product which would indeed impede the conduction of heat and risk a buildup below resulting in cracked glass etc.

PS: Regarding Air Temps you will in fact want to aim for somewhere between 80-85 F on the warm side of your Terrarium and on the cool side temps can be in the low 70's to room temp, I use multiple's of the same Exo-Terra as you do and generally find a 100 Watt CHE to be the optimal means of achieving this when combined with a Pulse-Proportional Thermostat. Though I would strongly recommend picking up a second Digital Thermometer to monitor this. Correct air temperatures are in my view extremely undervalued in the hobby currently and really do make a noticeable difference to a Geckos activity levels when they have both warmer areas to bask as-well as a comfortable ambient air temperature gradient, otherwise they spend half their time clung to the floor trying to raise their core body temperature.
 
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swisswiss

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thx Zux thats awesome (and comforting) info. I was thinking about investing in a second thermostat and a CHE but according to my digital hygrometers/thermometers my parameters are within range. at night things tend to flirt with the lower ends of the spectrum but remain on target....

whats holding me back is that im sure when spring/summer kicks in the temps will rise to those couple of degrees to be splat in the mid range...

...but i guess it could be a worth investment for the colder winter seasons....i really dont know!!!!
 

Zux

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Just to correct myself above in-case you didn't see my edit, make the CHE a 75 Watt if you do go for one, I use the 36x18x18's so have more air needing heating than yours will.
 

Zux

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thx Zux thats awesome (and comforting) info. I was thinking about investing in a second thermostat and a CHE but according to my digital hygrometers/thermometers my parameters are within range. at night things tend to flirt with the lower ends of the spectrum but remain on target....

whats holding me back is that im sure when spring/summer kicks in the temps will rise to those couple of degrees to be splat in the mid range...

...but i guess it could be a worth investment for the colder winter seasons....i really dont know!!!!

No problem at all Swisswiss, If your temps are good during the day a drop at night (aslong as its not too drastic) is normal and quite natural in fact.

The reason I have to have CHE's for mine is its almost impossible to keep warm side air temps in the 80's even with the heating on in my house during winter :D
 

swisswiss

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ah well if we are talking about ambient temps being around the 80s then im for sure several degrees off.... room temps is around 23°C (73) and at night according to my digital hgro/thermo iv had a max low of up to 18°c (64) i dont know how long that cold lasted though....

with this being said the tile/thermostat combo is tarred so the tile stays at around 26°c (80) during the night (from 17:00 to 9am if i recall correctly) so if frass hits the fan they have a place to warm up...
 

Zux

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ah well if we are talking about ambient temps being around the 80s then im for sure several degrees off.... room temps is around 23°C (73) and at night according to my digital hgro/thermo iv had a max low of up to 18°c (64) i dont know how long that cold lasted though....

with this being said the tile/thermostat combo is tarred so the tile stays at around 26°c (80) during the night (from 17:00 to 9am if i recall correctly) so if frass hits the fan they have a place to warm up...

Lower ambient air temperatures are not something that will impact their health or well-being in the short term so its not something you'd need to fix immediately or anything, some people still feel they only have to provide belly heat and Geckos being the hardy creatures that they are helps this to hold true as they live their lives just fine.

All I can say however is that every one of mine is significantly more active since they have been provided with warm side air temps in the region of 80-85 F and significantly less so when they don't have it. They key is to provide a gradient however from warm side to room temp on the cool side but that's no problem for you since your terrarium is the perfect size.
 

swisswiss

Member
thx shane, guess ill leave things as they are for now then and measure temps/see how my animals react when the warmer season starts rolling in....
 

Zux

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thx shane, guess ill leave things as they are for now then and measure temps/see how my animals react when the warmer season starts rolling in....

Best of luck with everything, if you ever have specific questions about anything feel free to send me a pm anytime or update one of your old threads.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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sooooo, i placed the sensor in the actual terrarium and i did get a reading of 50 but that may be because excavator is still drying. I have cut two slates of Plexiglas that i have placed over two of the mesh screen "windows" on the exo terra cover in an attempt to keep humidity in a little more. with regards to the moist hide i was planning in using moist vermiculite. the humid hide is placed near the heating mat but not on it...so still on the "cold" side, is that alright?

Death in leopard geckos (Eublepharis macularius) following ingestion of vermiculite. (1985 pdf)
Click: http://lan.sagepub.com/content/19/4/284.full.pdf

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Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...culite-eye-pirate-echo-wearing-eye-patch.html
 
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swisswiss

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final final version (I hope)....

added a warm hide as suggested, its not super spacious but i think it should work nicely....
 

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Elizabeth Freer

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Looks good! :banana:

Now's the time to spot check temps. :)

Are you planning to add some overhead heat like Shane suggested?
 

swisswiss

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dont think so, temps rarely drop below the 20s ( 68 ) at night but ill see. if i notice my geckos are really lethargic in the morning I might get a 60 or 75W CHE. ill have to think of a slick way to install it...

ill post temps readings later.....
 

swisswiss

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Death in leopard geckos (Eublepharis macularius) following ingestion of vermiculite. (1985 pdf)
Click: http://lan.sagepub.com/content/19/4/284.full.pdf

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Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...culite-eye-pirate-echo-wearing-eye-patch.html

yeah im not planning to use vermiculite after all, probably simply going to go for moist paper towels in the humid hide...

here are the temperature readings...

according the digital hydro/thermo in the right corner of the tank the air temperature is 21.1 °C /71°F

P.s those pictures gave me goosebumps, poor thing! i was thinking vermiculite because iv seen people using them for the eggs so i figured it would work as a moist hide substrate
 

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