Swisswiss's terrarium

swisswiss

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im going to the vivarium tomorrow morning. meal worms arrive tomorrow too so ill have at least those to feed them while i wait for my dubias to come in.... got the multivitamins and calcium supplements earlier today (vitamins 1Xweek and calcium with every feeding?)

im assuming the little girls will need some time to acclimate to the new home, should I stay off feeding them for a few days?
 

Elizabeth Freer

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im going to the vivarium tomorrow morning. meal worms arrive tomorrow too so ill have at least those to feed them while i wait for my dubias to come in.... got the multivitamins and calcium supplements earlier today (vitamins 1Xweek and calcium with every feeding?)

im assuming the little girls will need some time to acclimate to the new home, should I stay off feeding them for a few days?
Are they relatively the same size? How old?

May I ask which kind multivits and calcium you have? Each brand is different.

Some leos eat right away, so I'd offer both food.

Hilde says --
"CALCIUM - excess:
Excess calcium in the digestive tract can hinder absorption of Vitamin A and D (we won't worry about E & K here). MBD is often considered to be caused by a shortage of calcium, but can happen even though there is ample calcium available. If there's not enough Vit D available, either stored in the liver or absorbed via food/supplements, then there won't be enough calcium absorbed. If you suspect a calcium shortage, it's easy to increase the amount available by dusting more often, even to the point of 'icing' the bugs with calcium, all of which just puts more calcium into the intestines but allowing less and less Vitamin A & D to be absorbed.... a vicious circle. The result is a gecko with possible MBD (even if it's on calcium substrate and gets calcium supplement), and a severe shortage of Vitamin A & D.

And so it continues.... more calcium, less vitamin A & D."
 
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swisswiss

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size and age ill have to see on the spot, the idea is to get a two females of the same size to limit aggression, they might have two that live together already i dont know. ideally they would be sub adults/adults. thinking maybe 15cm.

with regards to the supplements I got the exo terra line, I would have liked the zoo med but i didnt see them in the shop..

but yea.. "exoterra multi vitamin" and "exoterra clacium+D3" I dont have a UV light so i shouldn't risk overdosing the D3....if i understood this correctly
 

swisswiss

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the eagles have landed!!! I named them Roxanne and Calypso.... they are acclimating so I wont disturb them by taking pics but as soon as iv got a couple ill post them up....

on the positive note they both ate, Calypso is slightly bigger and more shy. she also seems to have little wounds that im assuming came from her old enclosure or perhaps a bad molt? ill try to post detailed pictures. other than that they both started sticking out their tongues and exploring their new home...and again the fact they both ate is a weight off my chest....

I LOVE THEM SO MUCH!!!!!

P.s I wasnt able to chose since I got them free so Ill need your help idying the morphs
 
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JessJohnson87

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The wounds could have come from fighting between the geckos. Just keep an eye out for aggression/dominance between the 2. Roxanne could be a Hypo Tangerine, I'm terrible at morphs but that's my guess. Congrats on the new babies, how did you manage to swing them for free?

Guide to Leopard Gecko Morphs an <---that's a good site on morph identification.
 

swisswiss

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well apparently the reptile shelter here has had so many people abandon them that they were happy to part with two...

I fear this is but the start of many many terrariums....
 

JessJohnson87

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They are addicting! When I was 14, I started out with 1 leopard gecko, within a few months I added a Mali Uromastix then a Savannah Monitor and then 5 or 6 more lizards of different species not including 3 tarantulas. I was told I'm not allowed to have anymore critters but I'll try to sway the husband into letting me get a gargoyle gecko or another crested gecko :biggrin:
 

swisswiss

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and here is calypso, you can see the wounds and what seems to be dry skin on her still.... :(

she ate a little more so thats a good sign
 

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JessJohnson87

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Poor thing. I would keep her in a "hospital" container until they heal. Take a storage tub and line it with paper towels and keep an eye on the wounds. You can put silvadene, neosporin without pain reliever or honey on the wounds to help with the healing process. It looks like she has a little bit of stuck shed to.
 

swisswiss

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I was thinking of giving her a "bath" for the dry skin but i think that will stress her more than anything. she seems a little more lively already. when I put her in my terrarium she went straight for the moist hide, hopefully that will help with the dry skin...

ill look into those medications, might be worth applying... thx for help Jess...

on a different note I think "she" is actually a "he".....gulp.... ill try to get some picks up tomorrow...if so those people from the reptile shelter are down right morons.......
 
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swisswiss

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....I guess im just as responsible since i didnt check on the spot, though I did ask the hippy behind the counter if they were two females... pretty sure calypso is a male....that would explain the wounds more maybe?
 

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JessJohnson87

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I see very faint pores but no significant bulge. Sometimes females can have very faint pores and sometimes males can be late bloomers.

Do you know about how old they might be? Usually around 6 months you can tell the sex.

When you do the bath, use a wet Q-tip to gently rub the skin off and make sure the water is around 86*.
 

swisswiss

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the guy who was responsible for the gecko section wasnt in today so i didnt get to ask the questions I had in mind but ill drop him a call tomorrow... what I can tell you is that the "male" is a decent 20cm (7,8") while roxanne is about 15cm (6")

the preanal pores are not visible on roxanne but it could be because she is still small/young?
 

JessJohnson87

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It's a possibility. I would give them a call tomorrow, based on size they could be around 6-8 months old, but that is a very rough guess.
 

swisswiss

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is there some sort of behavior I should keep an eye out for that might help confirm our suspects? aside copulation of course..... they seem to enjoy hanging out together, literally one on top of the other in the moist hide....
 

Zux

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is there some sort of behavior I should keep an eye out for that might help confirm our suspects? aside copulation of course..... they seem to enjoy hanging out together, literally one on top of the other in the moist hide....

Hey again, that is a common (and understandable) miss-conception most owners have regarding the behavior of Geckos living communally, if one Gecko is lying on the other whenever it is sleeping this is a common sign of dominance, bullying / dominance is almost always present on some level in these situations but as-long as it doesn't become physical at any point they should be fine health wise (physically anyway).

The wounds on the second Leo would look a little worrying but I cant say for sure how they happened as I always keep every Leo separately regardless of gender and have no experience of what tail nips would look like for example, so that's something to keep an eye on.

Also with the second she/he appears to be somewhat dehydrated judging (guessing) from the pictures so the first few times you are gut-loading your crickets (I'm guessing that's what you will be feeding first until you discover why most of us use roaches instead :biggrin:) try to include something with a very high moisture content, a slice of orange perhaps and always ensure the moist hide is very moist for the first week or so giving her a chance to recover.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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I was thinking of giving her a "bath" for the dry skin but i think that will stress her more than anything. she seems a little more lively already. when I put her in my terrarium she went straight for the moist hide, hopefully that will help with the dry skin...

ill look into those medications, might be worth applying... thx for help Jess...

on a different note I think "she" is actually a "he".....gulp.... ill try to get some picks up tomorrow...if so those people from the reptile shelter are down right morons.......

Your warm humid hide will be better than submerging her in a bath in these circumstances. The wounds will heal faster if they are kept dry.

Be sure any medication you choose is not petroleum-based. Leos lick everywhere!

the guy who was responsible for the gecko section wasnt in today so i didnt get to ask the questions I had in mind but ill drop him a call tomorrow... what I can tell you is that the "male" is a decent 20cm (7,8") while roxanne is about 15cm (6")

the preanal pores are not visible on roxanne but it could be because she is still small/young?

Click: Sexing Leopard Geckos

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  • What if Calypso actually is male? :biggrin:
  • If Roxanne (a few months younger) is also male, that will be a problem. Then you'll definitely need separate vivs.
  • If they are a pair, then they should not be "introduced" till they are about 2 years old (18 months at the earliest). Mating earlier than that will be hard on the female.
How are they keeping the leos at the rescue? It's important for leos to be quarantined for about 90 days before introducing them.
 
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