Considering picking up a Phelsuma species

Ambubadger

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Your tank looks good, just needs some basking spots as others have mentioned. Be sure to post pics of your new tenant! When I think about all the people catching geckos and thinking an old mayonnaise jar is sufficient to live in, I feel much better seeing someone like you putting the effort in to do this right! My phelsumas would be honored to poo on your leaves!
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Here is the result of today's efforts. I have a small peace lily, a dwarf palm and a pothos.

Tomorrow I am going to be getting some wood and branches to put in. How should I arrange the wood to provide a basking spot? Also, how do you all do UV? Is it okay to use a UV tube instead of a spiral? I have them running across multiple vivs, and typically use ExoTerra 5.0's.

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Your viv looks nice!

Zoo Med Reptisun UVB tubes are really top notch! :) Big Apple Herps beats the lowest price you find. I ordered a box of twelve 5.0 18 inch tubes about one year ago for my three Phelsuma barbouri. I replace them annually. Screen really reduces the effective distance of the UVB rays. Have you considered 10.0s?

My Phelsuma barbouri are housed in 12 inch high, but long, enclosures. That's what they prefer.
 

Hypancistrus

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Your tank looks good, just needs some basking spots as others have mentioned. Be sure to post pics of your new tenant! When I think about all the people catching geckos and thinking an old mayonnaise jar is sufficient to live in, I feel much better seeing someone like you putting the effort in to do this right! My phelsumas would be honored to poo on your leaves!

Thanks- I try to give them all the best possible homes.

Your viv looks nice!

Zoo Med Reptisun UVB tubes are really top notch! :) Big Apple Herps beats the lowest price you find. I ordered a box of twelve 5.0 18 inch tubes about one year ago for my three Phelsuma barbouri. I replace them annually. Screen really reduces the effective distance of the UVB rays. Have you considered 10.0s?

My Phelsuma barbouri are housed in 12 inch high, but long, enclosures. That's what they prefer.

I use the 10.0 for my beardie, but have always used 5.0 for my other herps. I replace mine every 6 months and cycle the "used" bulbs to my snake cages simply to add light, since they don't need uv. I have ordered from BAH before but found that Foster and Smiths prices were beating everyone- didn't know BAH did price match. I'll have to check that out.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Hypancistrus ~

I appreciate your feedback on Doctors Foster & Smith. Next time I need tubes or bulbs I'll check them out too.

Not only did BAH price match, they offered an additional 5% off!
 
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Hypancistrus

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Hypancistrus ~

I appreciate your feedback on Doctors Foster & Smith. Next time I need tubes or bulbs I'll check them out too.

Not only did BAH price match, they offered am additional % off!

Foster and Smith's prices aren't as good as they used to be, since they were bought out by PetCo. Plus, now they charge sales tax if there is a PetCo in your state. They are still a thousand times cheaper than Petsmart or PetCo, who want like $30-40 a bulb. Gimme a break.

If BAH does price match plus, this lack of sales tax alone would make it much cheaper for me. I typically place a $100-125 bulb order every 6 months.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Foster and Smith's prices aren't as good as they used to be, since they were bought out by PetCo. Plus, now they charge sales tax if there is a PetCo in your state. They are still a thousand times cheaper than Petsmart or PetCo, who want like $30-40 a bulb. Gimme a break.

If BAH does price match plus, this lack of sales tax alone would make it much cheaper for me. I typically place a $100-125 bulb order every 6 months.

Yes, "gimme a break"! :roll:

It was 2014 when I stocked up with a dozen 5.0 tubes from BAH. Phone Zoo Med (888-496-6633). Last I checked they were recommending replacement after 1 year. The Reptisun tubes may last longer than the Exo Terra ones. That too will save $$.

I did not know DF&S had been bought out by PetCo. A couple months ago my local PetCo told me they price matched.

Oregon has no sales tax.
 

Hypancistrus

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Phone Zoo Med (888-496-6633). Last I checked they were recommending replacement after 1 year. The Reptisun tubes may last longer than the Exo Terra ones. That too will save $$.

Oregon has no sales tax.

I will have to find out-- perhaps the bulbs are improving in longevity over time. And lucky you on sales tax... Maryland's is over 6%.


So... bad news.... they did not have P. laticauda or P. klemmeri at the Hamburg show. They had some grandis but those get too big for my viv, so I passed.

So this means I will now have to find an internet breeder who ships and has a good reputation. If anyone has any recommendations, I would much appreciate them!!
 

Ambubadger

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Oh, bummer... Too bad you're not here in Hawaii, I could easily snag one for you! Good luck n your search, I'm sure there's one out there waiting for you to be their new landlord!
 

Hypancistrus

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So with good advice from the folks here and a FB Gecko group I watch, I now have a 1.1 pair coming from Jim and Stephanie Tracy on Wednesday.

Here is a photo of the male, posted by Jim. I wasn't looking for a pair necessarily, but am happy to have the opportunity. I will have to see how big they are when they arrive- they are young adults. I may need to look into a taller viv--- not telling the fiance this yet... better just show up with a new viv. He he.

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Ambubadger

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Congrats! His tail looks fat! As far as fiancées go, I have the opposite problem-- I'd go broke buying tanks and cages if I told her we could take everyone home! She even liked the idea of turning our entire lanai into a giant indoor terrarium when I showed her pics of one on Pinterest... So we're up to an adult female, two juveniles, two hatchlings, a female brown anole, and two male and one female green anole!
 

Elizabeth Freer

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So with good advice from the folks here and a FB Gecko group I watch, I now have a 1.1 pair coming from Jim and Stephanie Tracy on Wednesday.

Here is a photo of the male, posted by Jim. I wasn't looking for a pair necessarily, but am happy to have the opportunity. I will have to see how big they are when they arrive- they are young adults. I may need to look into a taller viv--- not telling the fiance this yet... better just show up with a new viv. He he.

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A taller viv makes a cool wedding gift! :biggrin:
 

Hypancistrus

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Congrats! His tail looks fat! As far as fiancées go, I have the opposite problem-- I'd go broke buying tanks and cages if I told her we could take everyone home! She even liked the idea of turning our entire lanai into a giant indoor terrarium when I showed her pics of one on Pinterest... So we're up to an adult female, two juveniles, two hatchlings, a female brown anole, and two male and one female green anole!

She's usually pretty tolerant of the geckos and herps in general, but she's alarmed by how quickly the gecko collection has expanded. I'll be selling some of the crestie babies I produce which will help with food costs, and the 20 gallon I am considering should fit right where the smaller viv is now.

A taller viv makes a cool wedding gift! :biggrin:

Ha! I want to make it to the wedding.
 

Hypancistrus

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I've got a couple of new questions. This pair is wild caught but has been eating. The seller treated them for external parasites and said he has seen no sign of internal parasites. I am going to be QTing them in a 20 gallon standard aquarium with a screen lid, just to make sure they are eating and to observe their poops and be certain that there are no mites present. They will be kept on a separate floor of my house than my other herps, just in case.

Ideally I would like to get them into an 18" x 18" x 24" ExoTerra, but the 20 is what I have for now. The time in QT will give me a chance to get a larger viv set up, hopefully.

My question is... how do I go about catching them without hurting them when it's time to move them from the 20 to their permanent planted viv? Also... do you find your adults to be crazy flighty or do they calm down over time? I will need to be able to get into their viv from time to time, both to mist and eventually to catch and remove babies from eggs I miss. Is it better to have the front opening, or would a top opening "aquarium" be better? Thoughts?
 

Ambubadger

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Okay, mine were from a similar situation to yours-- the adult female was one I brought in from outside, as is one of the "teenagers". The other "teen" was found at a plant shop wandering on a box, so we took her home. The two babies, as you all know, hatched in my adult's cage. The adult and teens were skittish initially, but never to the point of hiding all day. I made sure my movements around the cage were slow and predictable-- water bottles, masters, cricket dusting jars, etc. were all in view, so the geckos would eventually learn to associate each item with what came next. In less than a month, my WC adult female knew that crickets rattling in my glass vitamin dusting jar meant dinner-- and she'd come out into view as if to make sure she saw where those crickets went. The two younger ones didn't take long to make the association either, and now all of them will come to the front of their cages when they see me, because they associate me with food.

In regards to handling... The four youngsters are no problem, they'll regularly jump on us-- probably because we're warm-blooded and all. The adult female will tolerate our hands in the cage to move and clean things, but will run off if we move toward her with any sort of intent-- if that makes any sense. I anticipated this, so early on I fed her honey or crickets stuck to a wooden plank, like the kind you get for free from Home Depot to stir paint. I'd leave the plank there and stay to watch her eat a little, then walk away. When I needed to move her, I'd pick up the plank as soon as she started eating and move it to the other tank. Granted, she would panic a little, but never got to jump off in time. She's not used to being handled at all, and I'm not looking to change that-- but things still gotta get cleaned!

Forgot to add-- definitely get a front-opening tank, unless you're housing them at ground level. I have one of those "light trees" that's basically a pole with three bulb housings on it at different levels, so my girl gets heat and UVB through the side of her enclosure rather than the top.
 
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mkschaefer

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You can easily move them by catching them with a deli cup or giving them bamboo retreats or other hollows they can use. They will often retreat into those when you are servicing the enclosure. Front opening enclosures are the easiest in today's market. Often the geckos will run or hide toward the back. Some P. laticauda can be quite bold, while others are shy. Some of the wild caught animals have a greater tendency to be shy. Just as a heads up, Phelsuma laticauda, like most Phelsuma, will consume their young if you don't find the eggs. That said, it is not uncommon to find babies out as they breed frequently!
 

Hypancistrus

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Thanks to everyone for all the good advice-- I really appreciate it.

Initially I was planning to move my female crestie into the 12"x12"x18" Exo and put the day geckos in the 20, but I hate to pull her out of the viv she is accustomed to.

So... today I went to PetCo and asked them if they would honor their online sale price on the 18"x18"x24" ExoTerra, which was $90-- and they did! I was tickled. I brought it home. Fiance is appalled at the size of it, but there you have it. Turns out I had the perfect little stand for it-- a stackable set of "drawers" that seemed made to hold it up at ideal working height. Right now I just have paper towel in it. Should I do EcoEarth now or give them a QT time with paper towel? I'm not sure how to proceed because they are wild caught. I don't think, to my knowledge, I've ever owned anything wild caught before... though I did once have a fire skink, and I assume he was probably wild caught? Never had any parasite issues with him at all. Anything I should look for? Are they typically healthy as wild caught individuals? The males tail looks thick and chunky, which I've heard is a good thing-- seller said the female is super elusive and avoids photos.

I have read about their cannibalistic nature. I will do my best to find eggs and capture any young I see for resale or trade, but if they eat a few, I am not going to be too horrified. Do you all grow out the babies in critter keepers?

Here is a picture of the viv. I'll need to visit my local reptile shop-- hopefully he will have some sticks and bamboo rounds of various sizes. I have a few more fake plants coming from Amazon tomorrow. Gotta get my decor on tomorrow night!

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Ambubadger

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Looks nice! For now, just use paper towels for the flooring-- if there's anything odd with the stools, you want to be able to see it clearly. I'm not sure about you guys, but here in Hawaii the geckos and lizards seem healthy, and I haven't had issues with them at all.

P.S.-- just tell your fiancée you want to do things right, and these day geckos are the first step toward proving you're "Daddy" material...
 
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