HELP: Not Eating pt. II - MBD? General Setup?

GeckoBass

New member
Hello gecko community, thank you in advance for your help.

I am writing to ask for help in the care of my leo that has not eaten for quite some time, and I am not sure why. In February I posted that he was not eating (at that point about 6 weeks), and and I got a good bit of feedback saying she might be brumating, ovulating, or just generally slowing down due to the season and change of climate. This was comforting so I was less concerned.

Since then, however, she started eating a little more (still not as much as she used to), but then quickly stopped again. Since February I can found on ONE HAND how many times she has eaten. Being that it's almost May I am really starting to worry.

She seems to be having a harder time getting around, like her movements are more labored . I once caught her shaking a little. The way her limbs have been kinda folding underneath her lately (pictures below) makes me think she might have metabolic bone disease (causing her to not eat).

I've never really used calcium powder before, but the other day I got her to lick some of it off of my finger (PROGRESS!), and now there's a small dish of it in the tank.

Seeing how it's been so long since she ate regularly, I'm taking a hard look at my own set-up to see if that's the problem. Below are pictures and a questionnaire about about my gecko and my tank. I do not have an under tank heater, but I am going to get one today, maybe that will help. PLEASE let me know if you see something that stand out as something that is causing my gecko harm. I am a first time owner and I'm doing what I can to ensure her survival. Thanks!

Gender: Female
Age: She was young but not an infant when I got her 9-10 months ago
Weight:
Source (pet store, breeder, previous owner): +++++
Do you handle him? If so how often? It used to be more often, now not so much

Cage: type, size: 29 Gallon tank
Substrate provided? Zilla reptile carpet-like rug
What types of hiding places are provided? Cool hide, warmer hide
Is there a humidity hide? location?

Lighting:

Artificial lighting? Zoo Med Zoo Med Day & Night Reptile Bulb Combo Pack Reptile Day Bulbs pc&gclid=Cj0KEQjwr5G5BRD_n-T0pf7x4ucBEiQAlxHOP01cH5MTMTJlYKap3tHxVVaGwocSfB79 n1_Ke_leM3IaAo988P8HAQ
incandescent (“screw-in” bulbs): wattage(s) ?
fluorescent (tube bulbs)?

Temperature:

Do you have a thermometer(s) in the cage? what type? Standard, electronic
What is the temperature in the warm part of the cage? under the warm hide? In the coolest part? Day time: 86F on warm side, around 80F on cool side. Night time: upper 70s-80F

Which hide does she/he spend most of her time? 50/50 cool/warm hides


Humidity:

Is the humidity measured? Range: around 50% on my humidity gauge


Diet:

Insects, list type? Mealworms, crickets
Are they “gut loaded”? If so with?
How often do you feed your reptile? I offer food to her about every other day, she will not eat
Please list any supplements used. How are they given and how often?
What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both? Zoomed Repti-Calcium with D3, in a dish in the tank
Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without?
Multivitamins?

Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet:

If your reptile is sick, please describe the signs and how long your reptile has been showing these signs: about a month and a half to two and a half months
Is your reptile’s general activity level normal, decreased, or increased? decreased
Is your reptile’s appetite normal, decreased, or increased? DECREASED
Have you noticed any of the following?
Weight loss, Weight gain: Have not noticed significant weight loss, but her limbs seem to have lost some muscle mass
Discharge from the eyes or nose
Increased breathing rate or effort
Change in the droppings: reduction in droppings
urates white or yellowish
Abnormal skin color or shedding
Parasites on the skin or in the feces
Weakness: WEAKNESS, difficulty in movement

My gecko and Set-up:

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Keeboard

New member
Sorry, I don't think I can help you, but leopard geckos are better off without a lamp and with a heat mat instead. They don't bask and get heat through their bellies to help digest food and their eyes are sensitive to light. For a day/night cycle, use a window. Also, any calcium in the tank must be without d3. And your gecko needs multivitamins. The humidity seems a bit high
 

TheresaB.C

New member
Looks like MBD to me. I am not a vet but i am experienced with reptile health and mbd. Our Blue Tongue skink ahs mbd, and he looks exactly like that. Please take the leo to a vet.
 

GeckoBass

New member
Looks like MBD to me. I am not a vet but i am experienced with reptile health and mbd. Our Blue Tongue skink ahs mbd, and he looks exactly like that. Please take the leo to a vet.

Are there any ways to treat MBD by myself? Money is pretty tight, and I am not sure I could afford a costly visit to the vet. :(
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
I am writing to ask for help in the care of my leo that has not eaten for quite some time, and I am not sure why. In February I posted that he was not eating (at that point about 6 weeks), and and I got a good bit of feedback saying she might be brumating, ovulating, or just generally slowing down due to the season and change of climate. This was comforting so I was less concerned.

Insects, list type? Mealworms, crickets
Are they “gut loaded”? If so with?
How often do you feed your reptile? I offer food to her about every other day, she will not eat
Please list any supplements used. How are they given and how often?
What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both? Zoomed Repti-Calcium with D3, in a dish in the tank
Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without?
Multivitamins?

Are there any ways to treat MBD by myself? Money is pretty tight, and I am not sure I could afford a costly visit to the vet. :(
What website did you post on in February? I could not find your prior thread on Geckos Unlimited. Did you use a different user name?

Please post a video of your leo walking? MBD can be halted in its early stages. Usually it can't be totally reversed.

Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 is a fine supplement. To that I'd add Zoo Med's plain (no D3) Reptivite multivitamins. However, if you have only now begun using calcium with D3, she probably is suffering from a lack of it. :(

Please remove the dish of calcium with D3 from the enclosure. Calcium and D3 must be taken with food for proper absorption. If she is not eating, I suggest ordering Oxbow's Carnivore Care from Amazon. It's a powdered all-in-one food you mix with water.

It is very important to also feed your gecko's insects and worms a healthy diet prior to feeding them to your gecko. We are what we eat.

Buy an under tank heat mat that is half the size of the base of the enclosure. That's probably either an 11 x 11 inch or an 11 x 17 inch. Get a Fluker's or Ultratherm. I also recommend this thermostat from Amazon: Hydrofarm's Jump Start MTPRTC.

Are the temperatures you report air temperatures or ground temperatures?

Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured by the probe of a digital thermometer
  • 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
  • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
  • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end
Leave the UTH on 24/7. Turn off overhead lighting/heating at night (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C) during the night.
 
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TheresaB.C

New member
There really isn't any way to treat MBD. It is permanent damage. All you can really do is provide a very high calcium diet to prevent it from getting worse. Repashie is an amazing brand to get for reptiles with MBD. Vet visit you really do need to get to see how sever the damage is. With a lack of calcium, reptile will literally absorb their bones. Our BTS dose not have bones in his ankles, yet he still runs after crickets like there is no tomorrow! Rubber jaw could be what is causing him not to eat. If you cant afford a vet, please take it to the spca. It is one of the hardest things to do, but if you can not afford a proper vet, it is the best option for him.
Here are some photos of charlie to give you an idea of haw bad it can get.

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GeckoBass

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Thanks everybody for the helpful advice! I got an UTH about a week and a half ago and she already has seen SIGNIFICANT improvements (she's eating, walking, eating, exploring the cage again, eating..)! My guess is that the floor was not warm enough for her to metabolize food. There are a few other problems I am still addressing, but she is no longer in critical condition. THANKS ALL!
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
Thanks everybody for the helpful advice! I got an UTH about a week and a half ago and she already has seen SIGNIFICANT improvements (she's eating, walking, eating, exploring the cage again, eating..)! My guess is that the floor was not warm enough for her to metabolize food. There are a few other problems I am still addressing, but she is no longer in critical condition. THANKS ALL!
You are quite welcome.

:cheer:
 
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