Signs of MBD ?

[wolf100]

I have a an orange girl. She is 28 gramm. She had two slightly visible kinks in her tail since the beginning. After a 3x medical treatment against pinworms she did not eat as good as before. She refuses to eat waxworms or crickets. She takes the waxworms in her moth, chews on them and spit the empty skin out. Also I recognized more kinks in her tail. I used to mix her pangea food with repashy calcium plus and repti calcium with D3. Maybe to much D3 or calcium ???

After the second negative poo test I gave her from the quarantine tank to the big group tank. 1mx500cmx1m. The New kinks has gone and she is very active. Climbing, jumping etc. Today I think I saw some shaky actions while she was walking.

Please look at the youtube video and tell me what you think....

Could These be signs of MBD.

https://youtu.be/j8NA0x3ntzI

 

[TheresaB.C]

Do you by any chance have a photo of a top view of the gecko? I cant get a good view on the video with the water droplets on the glass. Judging by what your describing, it might be mbd. I have a Blue tongue skink, he came to us as a rescue with severe mbd. I will attach a few photos of him as a reference of mbd. MBD is not reversible so you definitely want the vet to check out your gecko. Keep at it with the repashy, keep offering food. Try new types of food as well. I am definitely not an expert, i don't even own cresties myself. You may want to talk to Elizabeth freer about cresties.

 

[wolf100]

I had the Vet examining her before the Panacur treatment. She said. Everything is ok but the pinworms. The two small kinks in the tail are just because the gecko did not get enough calcium when he was a baby.

Here are two pics of her. Hope they are good enough. Besides the two kinks, there are no more abnormalities.

 

[TheresaB.C]

Well, then it is probably just a side effect of not having enough calcium when she was younger like you said. She probably stopped eating because she was stressed. Keep the calcium going anyways, probably dose not have grate bone density then, would be good to build that up. Other then that she looks healthy. Like i said, i have no experiences with cresties, just mbd.

 

[Aimless]

I would absolutely not keep her in a breeding group if she didn't have adequate calcium when young, especially if you think she's acting shaky or not eating well.

have you looked in her mouth at her calcium sacs? that's an easy way to tell if that's your problem.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I have a an orange girl. She is 28 gramm. She had two slightly visible kinks in her tail since the beginning. After a 3x medical treatment against pinworms she did not eat as good as before. She refuses to eat waxworms or crickets. She takes the waxworms in her moth, chews on them and spit the empty skin out. Also I recognized more kinks in her tail. I used to mix her pangea food with repashy calcium plus and repti calcium with D3. Maybe to much D3 or calcium ???

After the second negative poo test I gave her from the quarantine tank to the big group tank. 1mx500cmx1m. The New kinks has gone and she is very active. Climbing, jumping etc. Today I think I saw some shaky actions while she was walking.

Please look at the youtube video and tell me what you think....

Could These be signs of MBD.

https://youtu.be/j8NA0x3ntzI

Is there some chance you might have a radiograph/x-ray taken to determine her bone density? If she has solid bones and is currently getting adequate calcium, vitamins, and minerals she might be OK as a breeder.

Were you using Pangea's Complete powdered diets when you added Repashy's Calcium Plus and Repti Calcium with D3 (Zoo Med's ?) to the Pangea. The Pangea Complete Diets are designed to be all-in-one.

Waxworms are very high in fat. Can you buy hornworms in Austria or maybe experiment with Blaptica dubia?

Click: http://www.geckotime.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/table-large.png

 

[wolf100]

Hi. I mixed d3 and Calcium plus in the Pangea just for good. But I stopped it one week ago. Xray might be possible. I have to ask my vet. Horn worms are not available in Austria. Dubia roaches I might try. I have a few for my bearded dragons - just have to search for the nymphs.....

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Hi. I mixed d3 and Calcium plus in the Pangea just for good. But I stopped it one week ago. Xray might be possible. I have to ask my vet. Horn worms are not available in Austria. Dubia roaches I might try. I have a few for my bearded dragons - just have to search for the nymphs.....

Hello ~

What is the exact name of your Pangea dry diet? Now Pangea makes Pangea Complete with Insects.

Too much vitamin D3 can also cause MBD.

Are you breeding your beardies' dubia?

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...ckets-blaptica-dubia-hornworms-silkworms.html

 

[wolf100]

Hi. I serve them the watermelon flavour and the insect one. I breed Dubia for my beardies.

I checked her calcium sacks today. They are visible - not ultra big, but they are there....

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Hi. I serve them the watermelon flavour and the insect one. I breed Dubia for my beardies.

I checked her calcium sacks today. They are visible - not ultra big, but they are there....

I can't see anything unusual in your video.

Do her jaws seem nice and firm, not squishy?

About how long did you add Calcium Plus and Repti Calcium with D3 to the Pangea? Maybe it was not long enough to cause any problems with the extra vitamin D3 from the Repashy's or from the Repti Calcium with D3.

The reason I ask is that some Pangea diets were not complete formula diets.

I use Pangea Fruit Mix Complete with Insects, Pangea Fruit Mix Complete Watermelon & Mango, and Pangea Fruit Mix Complete Banana & Apricot.

 

[wolf100]

Hi. I did use for about 4 weeks, so about 12, 13 servings....
But it was during her treatment against pinworms and she did not eat very much. I use all the Pangea like you. But my Cresties prefer watermelon. My leachie just loves banana papaya...

Her jaws are hard and firm. In the video I thought I saw her walking a little bit like a chameleon, but a breeder told me these stack moving are during breeding Saison. ...

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Hi. I did use for about 4 weeks, so about 12, 13 servings....
But it was during her treatment against pinworms and she did not eat very much. I use all the Pangea like you. But my Cresties prefer watermelon. My leachie just loves banana papaya...

Her jaws are hard and firm. In the video I thought I saw her walking a little bit like a chameleon, but a breeder told me these stack moving are during breeding Saison. ...

I don't understand your last comment...the one I underlined.

Thank you for explaining the rest. Sometimes Panacur and antibiotics decrease a gecko's appetite. It sounds like she did not eat much of the food with the added vitamins and calcium.

My vet says that as long as a gecko's jaws are nice and firm, the bones are too. However, be sure to check that out with your vet.

 

[wolf100]

I meant that shaky walking. Forward, little back and forward again like a chameleon. ...

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I meant that shaky walking. Forward, little back and forward again like a chameleon. ...

I understand now.