Need Advice on How to Handle a Kid who is NOT kind to reptiles

Forgive the odd topic, but I wanted to post an experience I had in hopes maybe someone here has had a similar experience or could offer some advice. I am concerned about the safety of my reptiles and am trying to form the best defense.

We bought a house and have been here in the new neighborhood for 5 months. The kid 2 doors down knew we had cats and would often ask to see them. The cats don't like strangers, so I kept telling her she'd probably never see the cats anytime she brought it up. Yesterday she showed up on our doorstep, again asking to see the cats. She's persistent. Kind of puzzled, but trying to be nice, I said "the cats won't come out, but i could show you a gecko if you want." The kid is 9 so I assumed she'd have decent manners and let her in. BIG MISTAKE.

I showed her both my leopards and my crested. She asked if she could hold one and I said yes, if you're careful. I explained the proper way to hold them. In under 2 minutes, this kid is running through my house, crested gecko in hand, holding it pretty much every way except the nice way (upside down, vertically, far away from the body, etc.) and refusing to be corrected. She was treating it like a doll, not a living thing. When i said "ok I think the gecko has had enough" and went to reach for it, the kid actually dodged me and sassed "No! I'm not done yet." Fearing for my gecko's safety, I calmly followed the kid around, trying to seize any opportunity to get the gecko back in her tank. The kid wanders into my office, looks at my fish tank, turns to me with an evil little Chucky doll smile and said "What would happen if I put the gecko in the water?" I was horrified! This kid was old enough to know that was a bad thing to do and was clearly trying to push my buttons. I told her that was not a good idea and so we weren't going to do it (I was thinking something much, much meaner) After 20 minutes of this nonsense and trying to calmly negotiate my gecko to safety, I finally got her back by lying and saying the gecko looked like she was going to bite (this gecko has never bitten anyone in 11yrs). It managed to scare the kid enough to give her back. I could not shoo the kid out of the house fast enough and of course her mother had been totally oblivious to all the bad behavior, out talking to someone in the front room. I was just so relieved that my pet was safe and just wanted them out, so i didn't say anything to the mother. Despite the bite scare, the kid told me she couldn't wait to come back and hold the geckos again.

So...here's my query, which is perhaps best posed to those who have children: How can I discourage this hurricane of a child from being interested in my geckos? Some friends have suggested she'll lose interest in time, but I can't do 4 yrs of this while I wait for her to get interested in boys instead! I would normally encourage enthusiasm for animals, this kid was a nightmare and I truly feared for the welfare of my gecko. My boyfriend and I agreed she is not allowed in this house ever again, but it is only a matter of time before she shows up on the doorstep asking to see something. Do we just feign that we're sick for the next few months and hopes she gets bored of coming over and asking to see the pets? Do I fabricate some deathly gecko plague to scare her from my doorstep? Do I talk straight with her and say 'you did not handle my animals nicely, so you can't visit them" at the risk of her telling mom and making this some neighbor feud? While I normally favor the direct route, I am hesitant to have a frank conversation with the mother because we already know she is not very level headed, and would probably not believe her kid would behave so badly. The mother has invited herself over several times and seems to think it is somehow her right, since she was good friends with the previous owner of our home.
I'm just totally creeped out by the disregard the kid had for my reptiles, especially that proposed dunk in the fish tank moment. If this happened to you, how would you handle it? Thanks for any and all advice, support, and child repellant product recommendations....
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
My boyfriend and I agreed she is not allowed in this house ever again, but it is only a matter of time before she shows up on the doorstep asking to see something.......Do I talk straight with her and say 'you did not handle my animals nicely, so you can't visit them" at the risk of her telling mom and making this some neighbor feud?
W-O-W! That's not typical 9 yo behavior at all. Mom seems to have issues too.

I suggest the "straight" approach.
 

KattsKritters

New member
OMG ... would def ban the little one from the house ... until she can prove (from elsewhere) she can do things correctly ...

But ... dayum .... that made ME get all anxiety crazy!
 
I don't send any time around kids so I wasn't sure what was "typical", but all my friend s have said "9?? I thought you were describing a 5yr old!"
I agree with you that the direct approach seems like the right idea, I'm just concerned that if the mother does not see things from my point of view, she could make a lot of trouble for us. She's been in the neighborhood a decade for sure and we're the newbies, and also much younger than most of our street. I'm thinking it might be most effective to make the no-more-visit policy more about the delicate nature of the geckos, not about the rough behavior of the child (?) That way I can't be accused of judging/ attacking mommy's little angel. What do you think?
 
Yes, Katts Kritters! I get riled up again every time I think about it. I wonder what it would cost to build a moat around the house!
 

KattsKritters

New member
An offer to take her to a pet store or direct the family to one of those places that have hands on options for learning ... be cheaper than a moat ...

She def sounds like there is a lack of discipline in that family ... but it is also a learned behaviour ... give the option to learn differently .. never know what might be the out-come ...
 

Revasius

New member
Personally, I would sit down with her and her mother and explain that because she was not handling the gecko nicely or listening to your instructions, that she is not allowed to hold the animals any more. As the pet owner, it is your right to decide who gets to handle your pets or not! Coming from a job where we allow kids to pet and handle reptiles routinely, there is absolutely nothing wrong with telling a child that because they were being too rough with the animal, they are not allowed to pet again.
 

acpart

Well-known member
If you feel that you want to "take on" (in a positive way --to educate and assist) this child that's one thing, but if really what you want is not to have to deal with her and to keep your animals safe, I also recommend the "direct" approach.
The easiest way is whenever she comes to the door to just say pleasantly "not right now, I'm busy". If she wants to know when you're not busy, you can just say "I don't know. See you later." That way, you keep it pleasant but vague and you can do this forever.

If you want to do a tiny bit of teaching, you can say "the last time, you didn't listen to me about how to handle the gecko, so we can't do it again" and then you can respond to any further attempts to see the gecko (e.g. "But I'll be good this time") by saying "sorry" and if she persists "Sorry, I'm busy now. See you later".

I would imagine that this child may have had other experiences with being not allowed to go some places or do some things and could use some discipline (or therapy) but that's not your problem.
Good luck with the situation.

Aliza
 

Drago

New member
I definitely agree on the direct approach, let her know that being rough with these animals can cause serious injury or even death! You could put it into more context by asking her how she might feel if a giant handled her roughly. The important thing about little kids (especially ones like her) is that you need to seem very kind, warm, and welcoming. If not, all you're going to get is resistance and a bigger want to cause trouble by the child. I'm sorry you and your gecko had to go through that, and hopefully she can learn how to properly handle an animal. Children can be taught, I have 4 year old children who have calmly and gently held my geckos without issue, it's just a matter of educating her and not tolerating this obscene behavior. Best wishes
 

Herpin Man

Member
I agree with the others- the direct approach is best. The mother does not have to like it. Being friends with your neighbors is highly overrated.
However, if you are looking for a more subtle approach, you could get a "special" gecko for which the specific purpose would be handling by the neighbor girl. Might I suggest a large wild Tokay?
 
I agree with the others- the direct approach is best. The mother does not have to like it. Being friends with your neighbors is highly overrated.
However, if you are looking for a more subtle approach, you could get a "special" gecko for which the specific purpose would be handling by the neighbor girl. Might I suggest a large wild Tokay?

LOL, I like your style! I'd call it "The Professor"
 
Thanks Aliza. I think your small teaching moment suggestion is the direction I've been leaning. I think it is important that she know why access has been restricted, but also just generally being "busy" kills the issue. We definitely have no interest in taking the kid under our wing and showing her how to behave. As you implied, that's mom's job and we also don't want to get roped into babysitting (something the mom is constantly half jokingly suggesting, and I have constantly said no to).
 
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