2 female Leopard geckos, both under 1yr old have yellow in urinate.

Both females do live together, and get on perfectly.
They have both recently been treated for impaction and worms. ( Both are ok now), however i have noticed they both are passing yellow in their urinates, i was wondering if anyone could tell me a possible reason? and solutions to get it back to fully white again

Thanks :) x18553784_10209644439132044_2058559350_o.jpg
 
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PoppyDear

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Both females do live together, and get on perfectly.
They have both recently been treated for impaction and worms. ( Both are ok now), however i have noticed they both are passing yellow in their urinates, i was wondering if anyone could tell me a possible reason? and solutions to get it back to fully white again

Thanks :) xView attachment 41605

Hey, could you please tell us how you suppliment, your tank size, feeder insects (And their diet), tank size, heat, etc?

It is likely due to over supplimentation, Elizabeth Freer has some suppliment schedules you can find in the care sheets.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited!

Please share the info PoppyDear requested including the exact name and types of supplements.

Are you doing anything differently now than before when their urates were pure white?

  • What medicine(s) were they treated with for worms?
  • What caused their impactions?
  • What are their ground temps on the warm end and the cool end?
 
i searched up and i haven't been giving them the right calcium, I've been using the one with multi-vitamins ( nutrobal). i will go out tomorrow and buy pure calcium (calci-dust).

Their tank is 20 gallon. housed on tile since the impaction incident. Dino for some reason wont eat ANYTHING other than crickets whilst Spyro eats crickets but every two weeks i do give her 2 waxworms to give her a change in food.
What caused the impaction
i housed them on something called 'LEO LIFE' i got told by a person who specialises in reptiles that they would be fine, however they ate it :( they were treated with a medicine called Lactulose.
Temp
ground temperature on hot-mid is 30*c( 90*F) cold side is 23*c (83*F)


Unfortunately the vet didn't tell me what wormer she gave them
 

Elizabeth Freer

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i searched up and i haven't been giving them the right calcium, I've been using the one with multi-vitamins ( nutrobal). i will go out tomorrow and buy pure calcium (calci-dust).

Their tank is 20 gallon. housed on tile since the impaction incident. Dino for some reason wont eat ANYTHING other than crickets whilst Spyro eats crickets but every two weeks i do give her 2 waxworms to give her a change in food.
What caused the impaction
i housed them on something called 'LEO LIFE' i got told by a person who specialises in reptiles that they would be fine, however they ate it :( they were treated with a medicine called Lactulose.
Temp
ground temperature on hot-mid is 30*c( 90*F) cold side is 23*c (83*F)


Unfortunately the vet didn't tell me what wormer she gave them

Nutrobal is a fantastic source of calcium!!! It has much more calcium than any other supplement I know of: 46:1 calcium : phosphorus!

Lightly dust the bugs and worms with Nutrobal at only 1 feeding per week. Then, maybe, dust with a plain calcium carbonate a second time per week.


5 June 2017 edit:
  • Nutrobal contains vitamin D3 at 150,000 IU/kg.
  • "Nutrobal has been the top selling calcium balancer supplement in Europe for years. Peter formulated it 25 years ago."
 
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oh thank god i'm doing it right with the vitamin one haha. do you think i should ask my vet if it should be something to be concerned about? I've been told it could be bacteria and i wouldn't want them to get an infection or anything.
 
spyro my oldest has gone to the toilet and it doesn't look how it should. i'm really worried. However i spoke to my dad and we currently don't have the money. ( we have spent 300 on the geckos already) its like 56pounds for a faeces sample :(
 

Elizabeth Freer

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spyro my oldest has gone to the toilet and it doesn't look how it should. i'm really worried. However i spoke to my dad and we currently don't have the money. ( we have spent 300 on the geckos already) its like 56pounds for a faeces sample :(

Please post a picture of these feces. That's the only way we might be able to help.

How often have you been dusting with Nutrobal?
 

Elizabeth Freer

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"Nutrobal" ***Highly RECOMMENDED***

"Nutrobal (multivitamins) has been the top selling calcium balancer supplement in Europe for years. Peter formulated it 25 years ago (1992)."

Click: Nutrobal for reptiles

Contents per gram:
Calcium 200 mg & Vitamin D3 150 IU/gram (This = 150,000 IU/kg of vitamin D3.)
Vitamins A, C, E, K, B1, B2, B6, B12 folic, nicotinic and pantothenic acids, biotin choline niacin and minerals P, Na, Fe, Co, I, Mn, Zn, Se, Cu."

Calcium/Phosphorus ratio of 46:1

Click: Common question about Nutrobal (Thanks to Pierre99)

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"ProRep Calci Dust"
Click: ProRep: Calci Dust

pure calcium carbonate
"ProRep Calci Dust is a supplement for reptiles and amphibians. It is made from 100% natural calcium carbonate with no additives and is an excellent way to provide essential calcium and avoid deficiency diseases. It's micro-fine particle size ensures excellent adhesion to both live insects and plant material.

Directions: Calcium forms an essential part of the diet of all reptiles and amphibians. Many foods that are used to feed them in captivity are low in this essential mineral or may have high levels of Phosphorus, which can inhibit the uptake of calcium.

To supplement vegetable matter for tortoises and other herbivorous reptiles simply sprinkle over food immediately before feeding. To supplement insects then place a small amount in a plastic bag with the insects and shake gently. They should then be fed immediately while the Calci Dust is still stuck to the insects.

To aid feeding the insects can be cooled before applying the Calci Dust. This will make them slower and ensure that they are quickly eaten.

It is not possible to overdose using Calci Dust and it can be used to supplement at every feed. However, as some animals find large quantities of it unpalatable avoid smothering the food. Because this product is 100% calcium carbonate, large quantities are not required to provide adequate calcium levels.

If acceptance is a problem then start with very low levels of supplementation and gradually increase it until your animals are used to the taste.

Most reptiles and amphibians can only absorb calcium from their food in the presence of vitamin D3. It is essential that adequate UVB light of the correct wavelength and intensity is provided to enable D3 synthesis by the animal or that oral D3 is supplied. It is recommended that a vitamin/mineral supplement is also used in conjunction with Calci Dust. Contents: Calcium carbonate."

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PS:
Here's how Nutrobal compares with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 (as far as the D3 goes):

Nutrobal contains vitamin D3 at 150,000 IU/kg.

Vitamins A, D, E, & K are fat soluble. That means they stick around in a gecko's (our) systems and are not flushed out when the gecko pees like water soluble vitamins (vitamin C and the B vitamins) are.

Zoo Med Repti Calcium with vitamin D3---phosphorus-free ***Highly RECOMMENDED***
  • 38%-43% precipitated calcium carbonate
  • Vitamin D3: 10,390 IU/kg (that's 22,907 IU/pound)

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So for leopard geckos 12 mo and younger
  • Lightly dust with Nutrobal at 1 feeding per week.
  • Lightly dust with ProRep's Calci Dust at a separate feeding per week.
  • Evenly space the supplements.
 
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Elizabeth Freer

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Please note my PS in post 10.

Let's try only lightly dusting with Nutrobal at 1 feeding per week. See whether the urates return to white. Use ProRep's Calci Dust at 1 feeding per week as well.
 
quick update; my youngest Dino is now passing FULLY WHITE! URINATE :D however, my little spyro(1yr next month) is currently not eating ect, however they both go through stages of not eating so, im not worried just yet plus, i read that it could mean they are both getting ready or are slowly going through 'puberty' or as we call it sexually maturing. I read that they become more skittish which is deffo the case with spy. However, i looked at both of their bellies and there is nothing what looks like impaction... i'll just have to wait till she decides to eat. Spyro and Dino got checked for parasites and it came back as negative (they dont have any type)
 

Elizabeth Freer

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quick update; my youngest Dino is now passing FULLY WHITE! URINATE :D however, my little spyro(1yr next month) is currently not eating ect, however they both go through stages of not eating so, im not worried just yet plus, i read that it could mean they are both getting ready or are slowly going through 'puberty' or as we call it sexually maturing. I read that they become more skittish which is deffo the case with spy. However, i looked at both of their bellies and there is nothing what looks like impaction... i'll just have to wait till she decides to eat. Spyro and Dino got checked for parasites and it came back as negative (they dont have any type)

:cheer: on Dino's urates!

Continue lightly dusting with Nutrobal at 1 feeding per week. Use ProRep's Calci Dust lightly dusted at 1 feeding per week as well.
 
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Elizabeth Freer

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PS:
Temp
ground temperature on hot-mid is 30*c( 90*F) cold side is 23*c (83*F)

According to my celsius-to-fahrenheit chart, your warm end ground temps are a little low.

30*C = 86*F
22.8*C = 73*F

Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured by the probe of a digital thermometer
  • 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
  • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
  • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end
Leave the UTH on 24/7. At night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
 

Elizabeth Freer

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This was fresh. :(

i use it once-twice aweek due to the vitamins in there



I apologize for my delay. In part I was waiting for feedback from the VetArk website. They said that Nutrobal contains 150,000 IU/kg of D3.
  • Did you get some Pro-Rep Calci Dust?
  • How have you been dusting now?
Lactulose would be for impaction. Did they have worms? Maybe Panacur for worms?

I find it hard to judge feces from photographs. :( The feces look like they include mucous. I don't know what causes that. Any side effects from their medicines should be gone by now.

Are Dino's urates continuing to be white?

How is Spyro? Is she eating now? Since they're housed together there's a chance that subtle bullying is going on......that Dino is bullying Spyro.
 
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