New Gecko Owner with some concerns

Celticwar17

New member
Hello,

So I ordered two Juvenile Leopard geckos in the mail, one female High Color and one male Diablo Blanco.... I do plan on breeding the pair eventually when they get older. I have had them for 2 1/2 days..

I have a 40 gallon tank(not long) with a large heat rock and medium heat pad. I am waiting on a thermometer in the mail. I am aware of the concerns of the heat rock, I'll make sure to monitor it... I made sure to get a trustworthy brand with a guarantee of no overheating.... the Geckos seem to love it.

The substrate is eco earth, about 3 inches deep.

instantly when first introducing them into the tank the female gecko I could tell was alert and in high spirits, she almost immediately retreated to one of the 3 hides and was calm. The male though... seemed very stressed out trying to climb the glass and walking all over. He has eventually settled and made a burrow under the heat rock on the warm side.

The female seems very healthy and alert, at dusk she goes on the hunt for insects and gobbles them up instantly(I have small mealworms and small superworms). There was actually an escaped superworm that was tunneling under the eco earth and she was stalking him fascinatingly. The male seems to never want to come out of his burrow. I've tried to gather him and show him some worms, but he instantly tries to scurry away and hide. Both geckos sleep together under the heat rock. The female is a sweetheart, she is almost already tame.

I'm worried about my male diablo blanco... is this just a case of him anxious and will need a few days to get used to the environment? There is a possibility that the tank is too cold, I thought it would be enough with a medium heat pad and large heat rock.... and the female seems to be doing great. I'll figure that out when the thermometer comes.

I am really set on trying to get these two to live together. I've heard geckos socialize much better when they grow up with other geckos and in the wild they often live in colonies. They haven't displayed any aggressive behavior with each other.

just recently bought some small crickets today and see maybe he only wants those...
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
How old are your new leos? You mention that they are juvies. Female leos should be about 18 months old before mating. Raising them together means that the male will mate with the female before she is mature. That's hard on her.
  • Be alert for signs of dominance. "Cuddling" is often mistaken as "friendship". Leos are solitary animals and best kept alone.
What supplements have you for them? Kindly share the exact brand and type.

What are the dimensions of your medium heat pad? Zoo Med's medium? Eco Earth's coco fiber is an insulator. 3 inches of coco fiber may prevent heat from your heat mat from reaching your leos.

For a pair of leos in a 40 gallon breeder enclosure, double up the hides: 2 warm dry, 2 warm moist, and 2 cool hides.

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A thermostat is a must to keep the temperatures steady and prevent highs. You saw my caution re heat rocks on the other thread.

Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
  • 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
  • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
  • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end
Leave the UTH on 24/7. At night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
 
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PoppyDear

New member
Elizabeth's reccomendations are phenomenal!

I would just like to voice my concerns over the heat rock,I have searched the internet and cannot find a brand that truthfully guarantees the rock not overheating. "Overheating" is tricky as well, animals that require belly heat can have different temperatures they require. One type of reptile may need 95°F belly heat and thus 95°F isn't overheating while for a Leo it is. Overheating is not a valid guarentee for all reptiles it may be used for, there is also the issue of under heating.

You cannot safely monitor your heat rock without a thermometer and even when you can you cannot control it. Zoo Med even reccomends, "Please note - the temperature is not controllable on this item. We recommend also purchasing the Zoo Med Repti-Temp Rheostat to control temperature setting. A rock heaters function is to facilitate digestion. A rock heater should never be the sole source of heat. Never cover or bury the rock heater with anything. If your reptile never leaves the rock heater then your terrarium is too cold and you need an additional heat source. Designed for use in glass terrariums only.".

I don't trust any of the brands and definately don't suggest their use. Many (If not all) are going to have hot spots and at the moment your geckos are at risk since your temperatures cannot be measured or much less controlled. There are plenty of articles/questions/concerns on heat rocks and burnt Leopard Geckos because they don't realize they are being burned until it is too late. If they are constantly stuck to the heat rock make sure your air temperatures are proper and your UTH is warm enough.

Here are some suggestions for your heat rock:

1. Snip off the cord* and use the heat rock as a cage decoration or basking platform if you use a CHE for belly heat or have a UVB light.
2. Build it into a naturalistic vivarium of course with the cord cut, some look very realistic!
3. Use as a step up to some deep food bowls, cut the cord.​

*When the heat rock is unplugged!

I hope this does not come off as rude, I just want to thoroughly explain my reasons for why this is not suitable. :) Good luck with your two!
 

Celticwar17

New member
How old are your new leos? You mention that they are juvies. Female leos should be about 18 months old before mating. Raising them together means that the male will mate with the female before she is mature. That's hard on her.]

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I am using the reptashy calcium plus vitamin+calcium... to powder the crickets/superworms/mealworms

I actually don't know how old they are, I'm guessing a couple months... They are the same size, female maybe a centimeter larger.

The Male was awake and moving around a little this evening, the most I've seen him open his eyes. I had a meal worm on chop sticks right in front of him and he just stared at it and did nothing... I did see him stick his tongue out... but he still didn't eat :/

I can see the female is definitely the more dominant one, at least it seems she is thriving.... while the male gecko seems lethargic and skittish.


You see a picture of them above!
 
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Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
It's a little soon to settle in and eat. Sometimes it takes a while.

How about a photo of their entire enclosure? :)

Try covering 3 sides with brown paper bags. That may give both of them a feeling of security. If their enclosure is in a corner, the back and one side are already covered.

Oftentimes experienced keepers and breeders tweak the supplements more than the manufacturer suggests based upon the health of their leopard geckos.

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Here's the Repashy's Calcium Plus multivitamins schedule that GU's acpart (Aliza) has used for all her leopard geckos ----> breeders and non-breeders.

R = Repashy, Cc = plain calcium carbonate

M-------T-------W------Th-------F-------Sat-------Sun
R.....................Cc...............................R.................


M-------T-------W------Th-------F-------Sat-------Sun
Cc...............................R...........................................

For hatchlings 0-2 months old: Also place a small dish or bottle cap of plain (without vitamin D3) precipitated calcium carbonate (Cc) in the cage 24/7.

Repeat this schedule every 2 weeks.

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Celticwar17

New member
It's a little soon to settle in and eat. Sometimes it takes a while.

How about a photo of their entire enclosure? :)

Try covering 3 sides with brown paper bags. That may give both of them a feeling of security. If their enclosure is in a corner, the back and one side are already covered.

Oftentimes experienced keepers and breeders tweak the supplements more than the manufacturer suggests based upon the health of their leopard geckos.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Here's the Repashy's Calcium Plus multivitamins schedule that GU's acpart (Aliza) has used for all her leopard geckos ----> breeders and non-breeders.

R = Repashy, Cc = plain calcium carbonate

M-------T-------W------Th-------F-------Sat-------Sun
R.....................Cc...............................R.................


M-------T-------W------Th-------F-------Sat-------Sun
Cc...............................R...........................................

For hatchlings 0-2 months old: Also place a small dish or bottle cap of plain (without vitamin D3) precipitated calcium carbonate (Cc) in the cage 24/7.

Repeat this schedule every 2 weeks.

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I will do that! Thanks for the advice.
 

Celticwar17

New member
It's a little soon to settle in and eat. Sometimes it takes a while.

How about a photo of their entire enclosure? :)

Try covering 3 sides with brown paper bags. That may give both of them a feeling of security. If their enclosure is in a corner, the back and one side are already covered.

Oftentimes experienced keepers and breeders tweak the supplements more than the manufacturer suggests based upon the health of their leopard geckos.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Here's the Repashy's Calcium Plus multivitamins schedule that GU's acpart (Aliza) has used for all her leopard geckos ----> breeders and non-breeders.

R = Repashy, Cc = plain calcium carbonate

UPDATE:
I got the male to eat for the first time, I just stuck a superworm in front of him for like 30 mins straight and he eventually ate lol... he's still skittish, but looking better. He's just easily stressed out and it's just going to take time.


NOW I'm nervous about the female.... I tried to do a lot of research before getting these geckos... I chose eco earth because I heard from various sources that it was the safest substrate.... 2 days ago the Female ate A LOT of food.... she ate like 3 superworms 8 meal worms and 4-5 crickets... I noticed and freaked out that she missed a cricket and got a piece of coconut fiber in her mouth and swallowed it....O_O

I'm now scared to death... Last night she wasn't behaving like she usually does... she didn't come out of her hide, and wasn't active at all....didn't eat... and she was acting skittish, which is abnormal

Is this because she has an ultra full belly??? Or is she now Impacted???? I feel stupid...
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
UPDATE:
I got the male to eat for the first time, I just stuck a superworm in front of him for like 30 mins straight and he eventually ate lol... he's still skittish, but looking better. He's just easily stressed out and it's just going to take time.


NOW I'm nervous about the female.... I tried to do a lot of research before getting these geckos... I chose eco earth because I heard from various sources that it was the safest substrate.... 2 days ago the Female ate A LOT of food.... she ate like 3 superworms 8 meal worms and 4-5 crickets... I noticed and freaked out that she missed a cricket and got a piece of coconut fiber in her mouth and swallowed it....O_O

I'm now scared to death... Last night she wasn't behaving like she usually does... she didn't come out of her hide, and wasn't active at all....didn't eat... and she was acting skittish, which is abnormal

Is this because she has an ultra full belly??? Or is she now Impacted???? I feel stupid...
:cheer: on the male (and YOU)! Hopefully he's good to go.

:scratchhead: Regarding your female -- Snatching a bit of coco fiber with a meal isn't unusual.

It's difficult to determine WHY from a distance.
  • How does her tummy look and feel? Firm or soft? Picture, please.
  • She could possibly be recovering from her big meal, kinda like we do after a filling holiday feast.
  • Be sure to keep fresh water in the enclosure 24/7, so that maybe she'll pass the coco fiber.
I recommend using a feeding dish or switching to some textured ceramic tile, at least until your leos are mature.
 

Celticwar17

New member
:cheer: on the male (and YOU)! Hopefully he's good to go.

:scratchhead: Regarding your female -- Snatching a bit of coco fiber with a meal isn't unusual.

It's difficult to determine WHY from a distance.
  • How does her tummy look and feel? Firm or soft? Picture, please.
  • She could possibly be recovering from her big meal, kinda like we do after a filling holiday feast.
  • Be sure to keep fresh water in the enclosure 24/7, so that maybe she'll pass the coco fiber.
I recommend using a feeding dish or switching to some textured ceramic tile, at least until your leos are mature.

Thank you for the reference!

Man... I care so much about these geckos already... I don't think I ever worried this much about my dog before lol...
 

Celticwar17

New member
:cheer: on the male (and YOU)! Hopefully he's good to go.

:scratchhead: Regarding your female -- Snatching a bit of coco fiber with a meal isn't unusual.

It's difficult to determine WHY from a distance.
  • How does her tummy look and feel? Firm or soft? Picture, please.
  • She could possibly be recovering from her big meal, kinda like we do after a filling holiday feast.
  • Be sure to keep fresh water in the enclosure 24/7, so that maybe she'll pass the coco fiber.
I recommend using a feeding dish or switching to some textured ceramic tile, at least until your leos are mature.

Thank you the reference!

Man... I care about these geckos a lot already... I've never been this worried about my dog lol...
 

Celticwar17

New member
You're welcome.

These leos are lucky to have you as their keeper!

Hey! So, I have another question...

The female is now shedding, and she is scraping her body against a rock... it seems in effort to get the skin off.... she seems early in the shed stage, so nothing is really coming off. Is this normal behavior? Her rubbing all over stuff? Or should I be worried that she's having a hard time/uncomfortable?
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
Hey! So, I have another question...

The female is now shedding, and she is scraping her body against a rock... it seems in effort to get the skin off.... she seems early in the shed stage, so nothing is really coming off. Is this normal behavior? Her rubbing all over stuff? Or should I be worried that she's having a hard time/uncomfortable?

Rubbing cage furniture is quite normal. It helps begin a shed.

You may wake up in the morning to find a "bright and shiny" leo.
 
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