Poop with egg white-ish stuff??? (poop pictures inside)

[Zeruel]

>> Have you access to VetArk's Nutrobal multivitamin?
No it doesn't seem to be available in my country.

>>Troy is having some problem producing proper eggs.
So you believe the scrambled egg-ish stuff really is underdeveloped egg?

1. No, Troy has never laid an egg before, fertile or infertile. I have never bred her since I don't have a male gecko.

2. I actually try to feed her more than once or twice a week, but she won't eat them more often than that. Like I said, her appetite is not the greatest.
(I don't leave live insects in my geckos' containers. I hand the food to them with a tweezer, and if they don't eat the food on sight, I'll remove it and feed them another day. )

3. I don't dust all insects. My geckos don't really like the taste or the texture of the supplements, sometimes they refuse to eat if the insects are dusted. That's why I want to try Repashy's calcium, since the reptile store told me it is more appetizing than other brands?

4. I guess heavily??? Komodo doesn't stick to insects as well as Reptivite so I would even add a small scoop into Repashy grub pie when I'm making it, although I've heard that extra supplement is not necessary with grup pie.

I'll lower the amount of supplement I use, thanks for the advice.

>>The proportion of feces & urates to urine (most of that wetness) is off.
I was too distracted by the scramble egg stuff that I didn't even realize she has too much urine:shock:. Do you think she could be having problems with her kidney?

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

>> Have you access to VetArk's Nutrobal multivitamin?
No it doesn't seem to be available in my country.

>>Troy is having some problem producing proper eggs.
So you believe the scrambled egg-ish stuff really is underdeveloped egg?
Maybe that stuff is an underdeveloped egg? Even leopard geckos who have not mated can produce well-formed infertile eggs.

1. No, Troy has never laid an egg before, fertile or infertile. I have never bred her since I don't have a male gecko.
Thanks

2. I actually try to feed her more than once or twice a week, but she won't eat them more often than that. Like I said, her appetite is not the greatest.
(I don't leave live insects in my geckos' containers. I hand the food to them with a tweezer, and if they don't eat the food on sight, I'll remove it and feed them another day. )
Have you tried bowl feeding? Here's how I leave a bowl in my leo's enclosure.

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3. I don't dust all insects. My geckos don't really like the taste or the texture of the supplements, sometimes they refuse to eat if the insects are dusted. That's why I want to try Repashy's calcium, since the reptile store told me it is more appetizing than other brands?
Why did you switch from Zoo Med's Reptivite to Komodo's Nutri-Cal? It's usually important to NOT dust all the insects at EACH feeding.

4. I guess heavily??? Komodo doesn't stick to insects as well as Reptivite so I would even add a small scoop into Repashy grub pie when I'm making it, although I've heard that extra supplement is not necessary with grup pie.
My Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins without D3 does not "stick" to crickets or to roaches nearly as well as Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 sticks. Lightly dust instead.

Don't add any extra supplement to Repashy's Grub Pie! Most stuff from respected sources is designed to be used as packaged.

I'm trying to sort out a cause for all that urine!

I'll lower the amount of supplement I use, thanks for the advice.
Good! You're welcome.

>>The proportion of feces & urates to urine (most of that wetness) is off.
I was too distracted by the scramble egg stuff that I didn't even realize she has too much urine:shock:. Do you think she could be having problems with her kidney?
I don't know whether she has kidney problems. I've been troubleshooting to see whether your leo has been receiving too much powdered supplement. That sometimes causes excessive thirst ------> frequent drinking ------> resulting in increased urine!

However, maybe Troy needs some plain calcium carbonate???



I haven't heard back from Komodo yet about the vitamin A supplement Komodo Nutri-Cal contains.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

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I can send them an email and ask them. But the thing is my geckos don't even like this calcium powder that much, I might as well just change to Repashy Calcium Plus if it's better?

I made it into gel and cut the gel into cubes. I first serve the cubes to my geckos with a tweezer to see their reaction, if they don't want to eat them, I'll toss the cubes to my insect colonies.

1. I recently asked why you switched from Reptivite to Nutri-Cal. My vet suggests only using a "wee pinch" of Reptivite @ 1 feeding per week. I think Zoo Med's supplements are +++. I use a combination of them.

2. Don't share ANY food (Grub Pie, insects, or worms) from one gecko's house/(container) to any other container. It's easy to also "share" unknown problems. Parasites and many diseases are contagious. If the insects or the gecko has something contagious, keep the problem confined.

3. Mentioning this again, just in case you may have missed it. Just use Repashy's Grub Pie as directed. Don't add any other supplement. I believe it is best to use most products from respected suppliers just as they suggest.

4. Here is a reputable Insect Feeder Nutrition Chart. It is a joint effort of Mark Finke, PhD and DubiaRoaches. com.

(click to enlarge)​

5. Have you noticed this leopard gecko drinking water frequently?

 

[Zeruel]

Hi, sorry for the late reply, I was traveling to another county where the reptilian vet locates so I couldn't reply earlier.


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The vet couldn't tell for sure what the white stuff is either.
She thought it could either be (1)egg-related stuff, (2)super weird urate or (3)intestinal mucous tissues. And she's leaning towards the last option.

Result of stool test:
No sign of parasite but the vet found some fatty body and 1 white blood cell in the stool sample, which indicates a sign of inflammation.

We took two X-ray pictures of Troy. (Image files here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/sUrTPLE2LGTnnyc59)
1. There are air bubbles in her intestines, which could also indicates inflammation/infections.
2. Troy's Ovarian follicle (I hope this is the right term) was not very visible in the X-ray pictures so it's hard to determine if there's anything wrong with her reproductive system.
3. Bones and lungs are in a healthy state.

Kidney problem is extremely hard to detect without a blood test, but my vet suggest NOT doing so because the process would be very stressful to leopard geckos, and Troy is still a young gecko so the odd for her having kidney problem is relatively low.


Overall, the vet's speculation is that Troy's main problem is some kind of intestinal infection. The reason that she's drinking so much water could be that she's trying to pass the bad stuffs out of her system.


Right now Troy is on medication to control the inflammation.


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>>Have you tried bowl feeding?
I haven't, I'll consider trying it out in the future.

>>Why did you switch from Zoo Med's Reptivite to Komodo's Nutri-Cal?
One of my other gecko Avalon doesn't like Reptivite, she often refuse to eat insects if they're dusted. I thought it was because the relatively strong scent of Reptivite. So when my Reptivite got expired I decide to try a new brand. (But now I think she probably just hates supplements in general. orz)

>>It's usually important to NOT dust all the insects at EACH feeding.
Oh god i didn't know that.

>>Don't add any extra supplement to Repashy's Grub Pie!*
Ok.

>>Have you noticed this leopard gecko drinking water frequently?
I rarely see my geckos drink (their waterfowls are filled 24/7), so I can't really tell.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Hi, sorry for the late reply,

1. I was traveling to another county where the reptilian vet locates so I couldn't reply earlier.
How long does it take to get to your vet? I travel about 2.5 hours to get to mine.

2. The vet couldn't tell for sure what the white stuff is either.
She thought it could either be (1)egg-related stuff, (2)super weird urate or (3)intestinal mucous tissues. And she's leaning towards the last option.

3. Result of stool test:
No sign of parasite but the vet found some fatty body and 1 white blood cell in the stool sample, which indicates a sign of inflammation.

4. We took two X-ray pictures of Troy. (Image files here https://photos.app.goo.gl/sUrTPLE2LGTnnyc59)

1. There are air bubbles in her intestines, which could also indicates inflammation/infections.
2. Troy's Ovarian follicle (I hope this is the right term) was not very visible in the X-ray pictures so it's hard to determine if there's anything wrong with her reproductive system.
3. Bones and lungs are in a healthy state.

5. Kidney problem is extremely hard to detect without a blood test, but my vet suggest NOT doing so because the process would be very stressful to leopard geckos, and Troy is still a young gecko so the odd for her having kidney problem is relatively low.

6. Overall, the vet's speculation is that Troy's main problem is some kind of intestinal infection. The reason that she's drinking so much water could be that she's trying to pass the bad stuffs out of her system.

7. Right now Troy is on medication to control the inflammation.

I'm so glad you took Troy to the vet's. She discovered things we never would have known!

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>>Have you tried bowl feeding?
I haven't, I'll consider trying it out in the future.

>>Why did you switch from Zoo Med's Reptivite to Komodo's Nutri-Cal?
One of my other gecko Avalon doesn't like Reptivite, she often refuse to eat insects if they're dusted. I thought it was because the relatively strong scent of Reptivite. So when my Reptivite got expired I decide to try a new brand. (But now I think she probably just hates supplements in general. orz)

>>It's usually important to NOT dust all the insects at EACH feeding.
Oh god i didn't know that.
Here's the schedule I recommend for a 4 year old leopard gecko like Troy.

Weekly Schedule 126 for Leopard Geckos 18 months old +​

(without UVB)​

• Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
• Crickets or dubia >> Thursday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins without D3
• Mealworms >> Saturday - no dusting

>>Have you noticed this leopard gecko drinking water frequently?
I rarely see my geckos drink (their waterfowls are filled 24/7), so I can't really tell.

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

I'm so glad you took Troy to the vet's. She discovered things we never would have known!

I actually said it was inflammation, but ok.. :lol:

I hope Troy gets better And.. I would feed her much much less for at least about a week. Nice would be freshly shed mealworms (the white ones).
She won't starve to death and it will help her intestines heal. Trust me, been there.

 

[Zeruel]

[MENTION=3989]Elizabeth Freer[/MENTION]
>>How long does it take to get to your vet? I travel about 2.5 hours to get to mine.
I went there by public transportation. It takes about 3.5 hours on the train+bus to Taipei, then 30 min metro to the vet. Adding the time walking and waiting for the train/bus, the round trip takes at least a day.
I usually go there a day prior, stay in my friend's house for the night and go straight to the vet the next morning.

Thanks a lot for the guide, it's super informative. I really wish I had found your guides sooner :idea:
Also, thank you so much for all the responses from the start of this thread, I have learned a lot.

[MENTION=56079]IHaveNoIdea[/MENTION]
Yes you're completely right about the inflammation! Thanks for the tip!
BTW I asked my vet if I can have the stool sample deliver to them and she said yes They don't usually provide such service but since I live so far away they agree to make an exception for Troy.

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

Ok, that's nice of her

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

[MENTION=3989]Elizabeth Freer[/MENTION]
>>How long does it take to get to your vet? I travel about 2.5 hours to get to mine.
I went there by public transportation. It takes about 3.5 hours on the train+bus to Taipei, then 30 min metro to the vet. Adding the time walking and waiting for the train/bus, the round trip takes at least a day.
I usually go there a day prior, stay in my friend's house for the night and go straight to the vet the next morning.

Thanks a lot for the guide, it's super informative. I really wish I had found your guides sooner :idea:
Also, thank you so much for all the responses from the start of this thread, I have learned a lot.

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WOW, what a long trip! My details are similar. At least I can return home the same day.

Sorry about that. I needed info regarding Komodo's Nutri-Cal multivitamin, its D3 amount, and its "vitamin A supplement". There has been no feedback to my inquiry.

Here's a link for the 18 month old schedule.

For 126 click: Weekly Feeding & Supplement Schedule 126 for leopard geckos 18 months old +​

Here are both schedules for younger leopard geckos.

Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
(without UVB)​

• Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
• Mealworms >> Tuesday
• Crickets or dubia >> Wednesday - lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate without D3 (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium)
• Crickets or dubia >> Thursday
• Crickets or dubia >> Friday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins without D3
• Mealworms >> Saturday
• No food or free choice >> Sunday

Weekly Schedule 125 for leopard geckos 12-18 months old
(without UVB)​

Feed lightly dusted prey 3x per week.

• Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
• Crickets or dubia >> Wednesday - lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate without D3 (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium)
• Crickets or dubia >> Friday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins without D3
• Mealworms >> Saturday . . . . . . maybe

[Powdered supplement recommendations for leopard geckos 12-18 months old depend upon how well your leo has grown thus far and whether he/she is walking well. Leos usually reach maximum size at about 18 months old.]

Repashy's Calcium Plus (all-in-one) multivitamins
(without UVB)

+
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Feeding & Supplementing HATCHLING leopard geckos - 0-2 months old & any slow-growing leopard geckos under ~6 grams ~ Feed 3x per week.

• Feed Tuesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays
• Dust prey with Repashy's Calcium Plus at every other feeding
• ALSO: Keep a bottle cap of plain calcium in the cage 24/7.
• [See dusting chart below]

Feeding & Supplementing JUVENILE leopard geckos ~ Feed 3x per week.

• Feed Tuesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays
• Dust prey with Repashy's Calcium Plus at every other feeding
• [See dusting chart below]

Feeding & Supplementing ADULT leopard geckos ~ Feed 2x per week.

• Mondays ~ feed (no dusting)
• Thursdays ~ feed & dust prey with Repashy's Calcium Plus (all in one) multivitamins

\/ \/ \/


R = Repashy's Calcium Plus, Cc = pure precipitated calcium carbonate (without vitamin D3)

Week 1 Repashy dusting (for JUVENILES & HATCHLINGS):
M-------T-------W------Th-------F-------Sat-------Sun
............R...........................................R...................


Week 2 Repashy dusting (for JUVENILES & HATCHLINGS):
M-------T-------W------Th-------F-------Sat-------Sun
..................................R..........................................​

-----> For hatchlings 0-2 months old & any slow-growing leopard geckos under ~6 grams: Aliza also places a bottle cap of pure precipitated calcium carbonate (without vitamin D3) in the cage 24/7.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

How has Troy been doing?

 

[Zeruel]

Yoo today was Troy's revisit to the vet, I was just about to post an update:lol:


Troy quickly regained her appetite after the last vet trip. She's nolonger having the watery poop and had gained 2 grams.

However, a few days earlier I sent fresh stool samples of all my three geckos to the vet, and Troy's was diagnosed with protozoan parasites.
And my other gecko, Avalon was diagnosed with nematodes. (Though the vet said it's at an acceptable level and could be left untreated. )


I decided to bring all three of them to the vet today and have them dewormed anyways.


I'm going to soak their containers and waterbowls in bleach to sanitize them when I get back home :l.


I’m worried if it was my dubia roaches colony that's contaminated?
I'm probably going to feed the geckos with pure grub pie for a while, considering getting rid of the roaches altogether.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I decided to bring all three of them to the vet today and have them dewormed anyways.

Good call!

Could you get new dubia from another source and re-start that colony?

 

[Sg612]

Yoo today was Troy's revisit to the vet, I was just about to post an update:lol:


Troy quickly regained her appetite after the last vet trip. She's nolonger having the watery poop and had gained 2 grams.

However, a few days earlier I sent fresh stool samples of all my three geckos to the vet, and Troy's was diagnosed with protozoan parasites.
And my other gecko, Avalon was diagnosed with nematodes. (Though the vet said it's at an acceptable level and could be left untreated. )


I decided to bring all three of them to the vet today and have them dewormed anyways.


I'm going to soak their containers and waterbowls in bleach to sanitize them when I get back home :l.


I’m worried if it was my dubia roaches colony that's contaminated?
I'm probably going to feed the geckos with pure grub pie for a while, considering getting rid of the roaches altogether.

1 cup of bleach per gallon of water for 30 minutes, if the vet didn’t already mention it. They are housed separately I hope?

 

[Zeruel]

>>Could you get new dubia from another source and re-start that colony?
Yeah I can, getting new roaches is not a big problem.
But I'm still hesitating. I've been told the protozoan could come from many sources, like water, food, or new geckos. Since there's no real way to tell whether the roaches actually are contaminated or not, euthanizing hundreds of roaches right now seems rather extreme?

(Over the past half year, I had fed my geckos both store bought insects and self-reared dubia roaches.
I also got my newest gecko, Jeremiah, in November last year. She's a rescue, came with MBD and other problems. Though I doubt if she's the source of the parasites because she got the best appetite among all three of them. )

>>1 cup of bleach per gallon of water for 30 minutes, if the vet didn’t already mention it. They are housed separately I hope?
Yes they all live alone, thanks for the tip!

 

[Zeruel]

Another update-

Troy laid an egg:shock:, along with some more goop stuff last Friday.


I think this confirmed our speculation that the goop stuff is egg indeed.


Here's my theory, correct me if I'm wrong:
1. Leos usually lays two eggs at once, only this time Troy laid one formed egg and one deformed(goop).
2. The time interval between each clutches is 15-22 days, this matches Troy's condition too. The last time Troy had the goop was almost 3 weeks ago.
3. I also find a white sack-like membrane next to the goop puddle, which I believe is the egg membrane or the egg shell.


Troy lost 5 grams after laying eggs. Thankfully she's willing to eat after deworming. I hope she would stop laying eggs soon.

(The goop was already dried when I found it, the white stuff hanging on the side of the hide is the sack-like membrane I mentioned above)

This is the "good" egg of hers. But it doesn't seem normal to me either? It turned yellow and hardened the next day, seems like it dried off.