Help, neglected leo

[XoVictoryXo]

I am wishing you luck on rehabing this poor baby.
She does indeed look dehydrated and malnourished.
I hope with the proper care she can pull thru this!
Let us know how the vet trip goes!

 

[MushuSpyro]

Update: she's not eating, she has only eaten once since being with me. The vet reckons that the best option is to put her to sleep. She said no matter how much treatment is given, cynder will still suffer...
I really don't know what to do..

 

[cricket4u]

Update: she's not eating, she has only eaten once since being with me. The vet reckons that the best option is to put her to sleep. She said no matter how much treatment is given, cynder will still suffer...
I really don't know what to do..

Why does the vet feel putting her down is the best option? What has she diagnosed her with?

 

[MushuSpyro]

Metabolic bone disease, she reckons that there's some more underlying issues and needs to do more testing. No idea why she couldn't do it there and then.

 

[cricket4u]

Metabolic bone disease, she reckons that there's some more underlying issues and needs to do more testing. No idea why she couldn't do it there and then.

I've seen leos in way worse conditions who recovered well. She/he must have told you more? Did she offer diagnostics and you are unable to afford it?

 

[MushuSpyro]

She said she'd be able to explain further this friday. I think the vet I go to is money orientated. She did say it is treatable, but cynder will suffer still. I think she can recover from this, but obviously i have to wait till friday, I'm requesting a different vet.

 

[MushuSpyro]

The vet I saw today wasn't a proper herp vet, but was the quickest appointment i could get. I've phoned the vets and they confirmed Friday is when i'll actually get to see the herp vet. I'm annoyed they didn't tell me, and explains why the woman i saw today didn't explain much

 

[cricket4u]

She said she'd be able to explain further this friday. I think the vet I go to is money orientated. She did say it is treatable, but cynder will suffer still. I think she can recover from this, but obviously i have to wait till friday, I'm requesting a different vet.

I've never heard of a vet in holding off care in a situation like this. What was her explanation for waiting till Friday? What does she recommend until Friday?

 

[MushuSpyro]

She recommended liquid calcium through a syringe, bathing her daily, feeding her food she can catch like millworms. She told me at the end of the session she wasn't a herp vet, and to make sure what she has suggested and said is correct is to see the actual herp vet. I'm rather annoyed right now, and am going to read through this thread again, you guys seem to know better than the stupid vets.

 

[MushuSpyro]

I have decided that I'm taking her to a different vet, and one that is upfront about their experience.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I have decided that I'm taking her to a different vet, and one that is upfront about their experience.

Sounds like an excellent plan :banana:.

 

[XoVictoryXo]

Good for you, do not give up on this little guy just yet until you get a 2nd opinion AND a diagnosis AND some form of treatment!!
it will help if you can get your hands on some reptaboost in the meantime while you wait for a vet, if he is completely off foods and showing no interest- reptaboost may help keep him nourished until the vet can find out what his diagnosis is.

There is a couple reasons why he could be skinny.
So you want to ask the vet to narrow down the reasons.
First ask for a fecal test to check for parasites - if this is the cause they will prescribe you a dewormer.
If he is throwing up foods you will want to check for a disease called CRYPTO. Crypto is a more severe disease that leos really suffer from
MBD is something that will require more attention and medications with your vet and can lead to life long issues with walking/hunting but it is treatable to an extent! For the record this does not look like a severe case of MBD to me although his front 2 limbs are slightly deformed, but I am not a vet or experienced in MBD related issues- , I have just spent a while on this forum learning!

I am hopeful this guy will bounce back. good luck to you both.

 

[MushuSpyro]

I've been using nutrobal I think it's called? And bathing and dusting millworms. She ate a few millworms last night she seems to be improving a tiny bit. I have a appointment with a actual professional herp vet tomorrow so shall let you guys know I've been looking at loads of forums too, and like you said, she's doing better than other Leo's. I'm positive she'll make it, i have all the time to give to nursing her better and i shall ask the vet to do a fecal too. I'm happy I've found a better vet for my baby

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

#2---Fecal Sample Collection Procedure

1. Place a piece of plastic where your leo usually poops. If your gecko poops somewhere else, take the poop to the vet anyway. Some poop is better than no poop! (Thanks to TheOneBlueGecko - 25 July 2011)

2. As soon as your gecko has passed some poop and urates, but without physically touching the sample, place the feces and urates directly into a plastic ziploc bag. (Do NOT use dampened paper towels because the paper towels might absorb some of the feces necessary for a proper culture.)

3. Refrigerate this sample...unless you are taking the sample to your vet immediately. Do NOT freeze it.

4. Take this fecal sample to your vet within 24 hours of collecting...the sooner the better!


[There are two types of fecals: direct smear and float tests. For reptiles, both tests should be run. Thanks to BonnieLorraine -- 2 January 2012]

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Nutrobal contains vitamin D3. So be sure to ask the herp vet how often to lightly dust the prey.

 

[MushuSpyro]

Thank you guys/girls I really appreciate your help.

 

[MushuSpyro]

Just got back from the vets.
She is in the late stages of MBD, and it's said the possible causes were husbandry and neglect issues.
Cynder has been given liquid calcium to have once a day. The vet weighed her, and she weighs up at 29.

I have a fecal exam booked for next week. The vet is happy with me for providing the correct set up, food etc.

Cynders legs won't get better, and may break soon. But I am going to provide a low % uv light for her, and Nutrobol as well as liquid calcium. The vet is happy with Cynder eating Mealworms. Cynder is doing better now, she is becoming alert, eating and moving more.

So I am taking it week by week to see how Cynder progresses, and then I'll take it from there and see how she goes

Also have xray booked as well.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Thank you for sharing all the news about your new leo Cynder :sad:. Appreciate the fact that she is getting tender loving keeper and veterinary care at this stage of her life and that she has fecals and a radiograph in her future soon.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I mean, you just bought this brand new leo, and now this :-(.

Wonder how this breeder's other leos are?????

 

[vgorst]

This is the first criticism I've seen about Nutrobal. Can you be more specific why you say it is a bit "rubbish"?

Nutrobal for reptiles

Sorry, I have only just seen this.

It's a very old formula, few/no changes or improvements have been made since it was first released. This is why I favour Repashy Ca+ now, far more research has gone into formulating this product. Also when you compare food consumption when using both supplements, Repashy appears to be far more palatable than the Nutrobal. I certainly noticed positive changes to my animals after changing from Nutrobal too (increased appetite, higher activity levels, better colours and breeders have said that they seen better results with breeding and egg quality (as I don't breed I couldn't say myself)).

I also had a bad experience with Nutrobal (the main reason why I know longer trust it). Using the supplement how it specified on the tub, one of my fatties got MBD. Caught it early luckily but from then I stopped using it and searched for something better, and that fatty has gone from strength to strength.