Female gecko , has changed her habits on me

[cricket4u]

the earlier temps where from my wrong notes i apologize on another enclosure, i try to keep all my repitles documented in my big yellow book here so i can , monitor any changes .

Excellent to hear that you keep documentation of your reptiles. You may want to add a little note to remind yourself to buy her a real enclosure and of a decent size. Hope all goes well at the vet visit and she lives a long healthy life.

 

[dptydog]

Excellent to hear that you keep documentation of your reptiles. You may want to add a little note to remind yourself to buy her a real enclosure and of a decent size. Hope all goes well at the vet visit and she lives a long healthy life.

you know being that I am new to these forums and such, Im surprised how arrogant of a person you are, reading threw your post here threw out geckos unlimited your snide remarks and general rudeness is surprising. This is not exactly the environment i was expecting. I was looking for a mature place to discuss things and ask for help in a respectful manner. And surprisingly I got that from a NEW member, but the Senior Member here has lost restraint on himself it seems.

Perhaps you forgot to read the part about me separating her from her other leopard geckos so obviously she is put in this enclosure for health reasons to monitor her more closely.

Oh take a note sir, find something better to do with your time. If your going to help someone help them the fecal remarks could be left alone.

"And as far as the tank size I am aware its not the perfect size, I pulled her out from another tank cause she is not growing as fast as the others and was afraid due to her small size she would be stressed."

Taken from my earlier post

Thanks.

 

[cricket4u]

I am actually a lady and I'm not arrogant at all, just honest. Perhaps the truth hurts or you're simply reading my replies in a negative manner. Now I must ask you, "Is this a mature way to reply to someone who is trying to help you?"

but the questionare thing is driving me nuts

You left the questions out, so how was I suppose to know what answer was to what question? This is why I asked if you can type the answers next to the question.

 

[GeckoLovr]

you know being that I am new to these forums and such, Im surprised how arrogant of a person you are, reading threw your post here threw out geckos unlimited your snide remarks and general rudeness is surprising. This is not exactly the environment i was expecting. I was looking for a mature place to discuss things and ask for help in a respectful manner. And surprisingly I got that from a NEW member, but the Senior Member here has lost restraint on himself it seems.

I am new here also, and I couldn't agree with you more. I expected a forum of friendly people who all had the same goals in mind, proper care and husbandry of their herps. It's one thing to be "Honest", it's a whole other to be rude and arrogant in your(cricket) supposed "Helpful" comments. If you(cricket) are going to be helpful, be constructive without the snide attitude... instead of being deconstructive.

I am actually a lady and I'm not arrogant at all, just honest

Might be time to brush up on your definition of "Arrogant"

I can understand that new/unexperienced herpers can bring bad publicity to the herping hobby as a whole... But attitudes like yours (cricket) do just as much damage driving new, polite, genuinely interested herpers away. When they don't feel comfortable posting because they don't want to be flamed by YOU! You are part of the problem, NOT the solution..

It doesn't matter how much knowledge you may or may not have, if you cannot relay it constructively without the addition of your attitude... maybe you should just walk away. While I am not all too experienced with geckos and really wanted to have more discussions here, I have chosen to seek my knowledge at other forums because of you(cricket4u) alone. If people like you are allowed to run rampant on these forums unchecked.... I'd hate to meet the rest.

Maybe its time to take a new approach, or time for someone to ban you maybe.

Take it as you will.... come back at me all angry and hateful.... or sit here and try to degrade me and speak to me in a condescending tone as you seem to do so well.. it won't bother me. I just had to put my .02 cents in since you seem to be delusional about how arrogant you truly are.

You're quite arrogant/narcissistic, its understandable why you don't see it.

Walking away now, good day

 

[dptydog]

Thank you. Geckolovr
Just updating Lil's status, still hasn't eaten yet. And we are getting to take her to the veterinarian tomorrow. On a positive note she does seem to be coming out of this funk though last night she was roaming all around her cage.

I'll post what the vet says tomorrow afternoon.
Thanks.

 

[GeckoLovr]

Great to hear, DPTY! I'm sure she'll be as good as new in no time My prayers are with you and your gecko

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Oh and what are the thoughts on crush english walnuts. Ive seen so many diffrent post on substrate that it can be rather confusing what is safe and what really isnt, I have read both yes and no's on that substrate.

NO, on crushed English walnuts. I like ceramic, porcelain, or slate tiles. Paper towels will work too.

Q: How should I heat my gecko’s vivarium?
A. It is best to use an Under Terrarium Heater (UTH or Heat mat) and make sure you have it on a thermostat! The heat mat should cover around a 3rd of the floor space of the vivarium, with the temperature set between 86*F and 95*F, with it dropping 10*F or so at the cooler end of the vivarium. A night time temperature drop is tolerated by leopard geckos but is not essential. Light bulbs can also be used for viewing purposes and to simulate day time better, but it is important that it is also on a thermostat to avoid overheating the vivarium. Leopard geckos do NOT require UV lighting!

this is directly from the care sheet from this website.

Temperatures for all leos regardless of size:
88-93 F (31-34 C) ground temp at warm end inside the warm dry hide
no greater than 85 F (29.5 C) air temp - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
no greater than 75 F (24.5 C) air temp - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

Leave the UTH on 24/7. Can turn off overhead heating at night.
this is from this website.

im realy confused what it should be and what it shouldnt be.. could you direct me to some literature please

Many leo owners on Geckos Unlimited use the underlined set of temperatures. Leos are happy with those temps too. They have been well-checked.

 

[DrenneRvc]

I am new here also, and I couldn't agree with you more. I expected a forum of friendly people who all had the same goals in mind, proper care and husbandry of their herps. It's one thing to be "Honest", it's a whole other to be rude and arrogant in your(cricket) supposed "Helpful" comments. If you(cricket) are going to be helpful, be constructive without the snide attitude... instead of being deconstructive.



Might be time to brush up on your definition of "Arrogant"

I can understand that new/unexperienced herpers can bring bad publicity to the herping hobby as a whole... But attitudes like yours (cricket) do just as much damage driving new, polite, genuinely interested herpers away. When they don't feel comfortable posting because they don't want to be flamed by YOU! You are part of the problem, NOT the solution..

It doesn't matter how much knowledge you may or may not have, if you cannot relay it constructively without the addition of your attitude... maybe you should just walk away. While I am not all too experienced with geckos and really wanted to have more discussions here, I have chosen to seek my knowledge at other forums because of you(cricket4u) alone. If people like you are allowed to run rampant on these forums unchecked.... I'd hate to meet the rest.

Maybe its time to take a new approach, or time for someone to ban you maybe.

Take it as you will.... come back at me all angry and hateful.... or sit here and try to degrade me and speak to me in a condescending tone as you seem to do so well.. it won't bother me. I just had to put my .02 cents in since you seem to be delusional about how arrogant you truly are.

You're quite arrogant/narcissistic, its understandable why you don't see it.

Walking away now, good day

Hello ~
Also being a new member here I can vouch to this. I read up a bunch of different things before purchasing my leo, or posting here at all. Even before someone bringing up the topic of arrogance, I thought you came off pretty snarky and rude in most of your posts. I hesitated to post about it at first because you're such a player around here with lots of GREAT information that I didnt wanna stir the pot.
However, I see there are more people with just as useful information and thus, why I decided to post this.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

You know, people, if you disagree with the way advice has been given on one of GU's threads, it is nice to respectfully send the member a PM (private message) rather than "letting it all hang out" on a thread. There is nothing to be gained by slinging arrows :-(. A discussion like the above creates much discomfort.

Some of us spend many hours of many days offering leopard gecko owners (and others) our best advice from experiences and love of geckos that have brought us to Geckos Unlimited. Sometimes, out of concern for a gecko's well-being, our advice is "stronger" than at other times when someone does not seem to hear what we say or insists they are correct even though others have been there, done that, already. Sometimes stress is cumulative. That is, residual feelings from previous threads sometimes linger into current replies. We are all human.

Many times we find ourselves giving much repeated advice on threads, when much of the information can be found in caresheets already online here. However, because caresheets offer conflicting advice, tweaking the information is a good thing.

Hands-on gecko experience ranks first in my book. That being said, there is more than one way to successfully keep leos.

Above all, please follow the advice recommended on GU's home page:

GU IS A FRIENDLY FORUM. TREAT OTHER MEMBERS WITH RESPECT.

 

[GeckoLovr]

You know, people, if you disagree with the way advice has been given on one of GU's threads, it is nice to respectfully send the member a PM (private message) rather than "letting it all hang out" on a thread. There is nothing to be gained by slinging arrows :-(. A discussion like the above creates creates much discomfort.

Responses like this are likely the reason people like that act the way they do. You are enabling their attitude and trying to justify their behavior. You are basically telling others that it is OK to snap out at new members or even older members for the slightest mistake they make. Since when is it OK to crucify others for your own past experiences?

Some of us spend many hours of many days offering leopard gecko owners (and others) our best advice from experiences and love of geckos that have brought us to Geckos Unlimited. Sometimes, out of concern for a gecko's well-being, our advice is "stronger" than at other times when someone does not seem to hear what we say or insists they are correct even though others have been there, done that, already.

I used to moderate one of the forums over at Fauna. So I fully understand how you can sometimes be bombarded with the same question over and over and over. The issue, though, is that each person should be judged and responded to on a case by case basis. The old adage rings true "If you don't have anything nice to say, do not say anything at all"

Why should these people feel welcome to come back and ask more questions if you're going to crucify them the instant they make one minor mistake? Or maybe crucify is a bit harsh, but it gets to the point.

Did you think about this? Out of all of the gecko or reptile owners in the world, how many do you think actually come online and drop their pride long enough to ask questions? I'd bet less than 50%. So these are the people who care enough about their geckos/herps/reptiles to actually seek out help. They could've just winged it and possibly killed their pets. But no, they care enough to request a helping hand for proper information. Are you really going to justify trying to drive these people away?

Many times we find ourselves giving much repeated advice on threads, when much of the information can be found in caresheets already online here. However, because caresheets offer conflicting advice, tweaking the information is a good thing.

See, you answer your own concerns here. It's blatantly obvious that every other care sheet you find will have some form of conflicting information. How is a new keeper to know what information is proper and what is not, without asking questions? How are they to know that what YOU answer with is right, without questioning you?

I understand dealing with know-it-all keepers.. but for instance. My first thread here, was basically taken over by Cricket and another person arguing over the whole Calcium dish subject. I ceased responding because it became an argument back and forth between cricket and another forum member.

GU IS A FRIENDLY FORUM. TREAT OTHER MEMBERS WITH RESPECT.

I prefer to be friendly, but I find the internet is full of bullies and trolls. Cricket seems to fall into this category and i've only been here a few days.

I'd prefer to quote this

Do unto others, as you would have them do unto yourself

Practice it, and you'll find Karma repays you 10 fold *HUGS TO ALL*

 

[cricket4u]

Responses like this are likely the reason people like that act the way they do. You are enabling their attitude and trying to justify their behavior. You are basically telling others that it is OK to snap out at new members or even older members for the slightest mistake they make. Since when is it OK to crucify others for your own past experiences?



I used to moderate one of the forums over at Fauna. So I fully understand how you can sometimes be bombarded with the same question over and over and over. The issue, though, is that each person should be judged and responded to on a case by case basis. The old adage rings true "If you don't have anything nice to say, do not say anything at all"

Why should these people feel welcome to come back and ask more questions if you're going to crucify them the instant they make one minor mistake? Or maybe crucify is a bit harsh, but it gets to the point.

Did you think about this? Out of all of the gecko or reptile owners in the world, how many do you think actually come online and drop their pride long enough to ask questions? I'd bet less than 50%. So these are the people who care enough about their geckos/herps/reptiles to actually seek out help. They could've just winged it and possibly killed their pets. But no, they care enough to request a helping hand for proper information. Are you really going to justify trying to drive these people away?



See, you answer your own concerns here. It's blatantly obvious that every other care sheet you find will have some form of conflicting information. How is a new keeper to know what information is proper and what is not, without asking questions? How are they to know that what YOU answer with is right, without questioning you?

I understand dealing with know-it-all keepers.. but for instance. My first thread here, was basically taken over by Cricket and another person arguing over the whole Calcium dish subject. I ceased responding because it became an argument back and forth between cricket and another forum member.



I prefer to be friendly, but I find the internet is full of bullies and trolls. Cricket seems to fall into this category and i've only been here a few days.

I'd prefer to quote this



Practice it, and you'll find Karma repays you 10 fold *HUGS TO ALL*

Perhaps your observation of me is your reflection, look within yourself. Elizabeth and I communicate constantly off the forum and she is fully aware I am not all the words you have mentioned. What you are seeking is self-gratification by insisting to put me down simply because you do not agree with my personality.

You mentioned an argument? Are you referring to the discussion between Embrace Calamity and I? That was a typical discussion, not an argument. That's how you have perceived it, therefore chances are the negativity is coming within yourself.

 

[dptydog]

Update on Lil my leopard gecko, the vet said she pretty much has a cold. She is getting antibiotics and I have to give her food from a syringe for 2 weeks. The spot on her belly is normal and other then the cold and weight issue she is great. He expects a full recovery. He said that if I hadn't taken such good care of her it would be a different story. Also very cool thing he owns leopards too. A tip from Doctor wash your hands before and after you handle your gecko they can catch the bugs from us too..

 

[dptydog]

Well day 3 after vet. I still have to force feed the medicine and food the veterinarian gave me. But she does seem to be more alert. Her eyes seem brighter too. Her tail is not as then either. I really don't like shoving a tube down her throat, but seems to be worth it. I'llpost an update soon. Also any su ggestions on a easy way to tube feed let me know. Right now I am place the syringe on the right side of her mouth and working her mouth open, then she pretty much does the swallowing part to get the tube in her tummy. Then inject food, water and medicine.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Well day 3 after vet. I still have to force feed the medicine and food the veterinarian gave me. But she does seem to be more alert. Her eyes seem brighter too. Her tail is not as then either. I really don't like shoving a tube down her throat, but seems to be worth it. I'llpost an update soon. Also any su ggestions on a easy way to tube feed let me know. Right now I am place the syringe on the right side of her mouth and working her mouth open, then she pretty much does the swallowing part to get the tube in her tummy. Then inject food, water and medicine.

Are you feeding Oxbow's Carnivore Care, the best powder out there under these circumstances?

Briefly covering Lil's nostrils may entice her to open her mouth. Are you feeding the food, water, and medicine at the same time?

This video helps when GENTLY done:

How to force feed a Leopard Gecko - YouTube

 

[dptydog]

The food is mixed with water. The medicine has to be done separate from the rest. The food was given to us from the doctor not sure the brand. I assumed it is quality product coming from him, but I guess you never know now days.

 

[dptydog]

Update......
We have poop. Woot good and healthy poo too. As if that wasn'tenough Princes Lil showed off by eating 33 meal worms. I'm very glad we took her to the veterinarian, I hope that other members of this site can learn from this forum and my experience with Lil. The main thing here that I learned was when you're leopard gecko quits eating for a over a week and they have a shiny nose it's a possible uri(upper respiratory infection) treated by antibiotics only. I think in the end finding a good and reasonable price veterinarian is priceless.

On a side note the veterinarian, said I could call him at anytime for info or help over the phone since I own so many different species of reptiles. He was glad that I volunteer to help out a animal kingdom that most get freaked out over.

Thanks all for your help.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Update......
We have poop. Woot good and healthy poo too. As if that wasn'tenough Princes Lil showed off by eating 33 meal worms. I'm very glad we took her to the veterinarian, I hope that other members of this site can learn from this forum and my experience with Lil. The main thing here that I learned was when you're leopard gecko quits eating for a over a week and they have a shiny nose it's a possible uri(upper respiratory infection) treated by antibiotics only. I think in the end finding a good and reasonable price veterinarian is priceless.

On a side note the veterinarian, said I could call him at anytime for info or help over the phone since I own so many different species of reptiles. He was glad that I volunteer to help out a animal kingdom that most get freaked out over.

Thanks all for your help.

:yahoo: Princess Lil!

Thanks for sharing! What goes around, returns someday.