Sexually maturing?

[hmarie186]

Since he regurgitated I haven't fed him any reptiworms, thinking they were either a bad batch or his temps were off. Yesterday I fed him 11 and about 6 mealworms. His thermostat has been at 93 and he's been keeping food down fine. I watched him for a good 45 mins after he ate and success! Now that I have ruled out overeating and bad worms as a cause, I'm left with temps and parasites. If the temps were only 88-89, that slight decrease should not have caused him to upchuck everything. Way more people have temps that are way off and their geckos aren't regurgitating. I'm convinced he has parasites still, though the vet will be running a fecal tomorrow and I am going to discuss with him an acid fast stain test for crypto just for my piece of mind. Good news- he only had a urate this morning and ate another 3 mealworms so I should get a nice poo tomorrow! Bad news- urate is about 1/3 yellow. Will also discuss this with the vet. He's had a little yellow in his urates for the past week and I don't dust heavy. He likes to be in his moist hide so I'm pretty sure he's well hydrated. :scratchhead:

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Since he regurgitated I haven't fed him any reptiworms, thinking they were either a bad batch or his temps were off. Yesterday I fed him 11 and about 6 mealworms. His thermostat has been at 93 and he's been keeping food down fine. I watched him for a good 45 mins after he ate and success! Now that I have ruled out overeating and bad worms as a cause, I'm left with temps and parasites. If the temps were only 88-89, that slight decrease should not have caused him to upchuck everything. Way more people have temps that are way off and their geckos aren't regurgitating. I'm convinced he has parasites still, though the vet will be running a fecal tomorrow and I am going to discuss with him an acid fast stain test for crypto just for my piece of mind. Good news- he only had a urate this morning and ate another 3 mealworms so I should get a nice poo tomorrow! Bad news- urate is about 1/3 yellow. Will also discuss this with the vet. He's had a little yellow in his urates for the past week and I don't dust heavy. He likes to be in his moist hide so I'm pretty sure he's well hydrated. :scratchhead:

What are you feeding Edgar's bugs and worms?

Good that you are following up with a fecal.

 

[hmarie186]

They are fed a 1:1 of oats and Solid Gold Holistique Blendz dog food. It comes out to about a cup of each. I add in a tsp of the repcal calcium with d3 and a tsp of the herptivite to 1. get rid of it and 2. since he doesn't always eat dusted prey that well I hope the feeders eat alittle extra calcium and multi and pass it onto him. He's had sparkling white perfect urates until recently.

Come to think of it I used to give them sweet potato and have recently switched to carrots. Could that small change in feeder diet cause discolored urates? That's the only thing that's changed with them. I've always done sweet potato..

 

[Superleo98]

I use sweet potatoe for the superworms and it the urates look fine from the Leo's

Buki didn't eat past few feedings, but he was shedding, and he ate a superworm the other night. He also acted like he was going to throw up in his poop corner, but he didn't, and is fine now. Normal poos and urates.
Ava and Emma are doing good as well
Maiyers feces are looking better with each one. He almost looks like he is going to eat, but turns away last second. Offered him crickets too, but didn't want those either. Emma and maiyers fecals are next week, as well as maiyers next dewormer treatment fingers crossed things go well

 

[hmarie186]

Back from the vet. Fecal turned out negative for everything. My concerns I brought up to him were these:

Regurgitating: He said that temps are likely the cause and that he wants them to be 90-95. Mine are steady at 90-93 and I don't want them any higher. However, he did want me to check my cool side temps and said 80-85 is ideal. I asked him about ambient air temps, he said not to be concerned about them unless they get very low and start affecting ground temps. In the winter he recommended getting a CHE or some sort of warming bulb to keep the ground temps up (we usually have our house set 60-64F because electric heat is so expensive!).

Yellow in the urates: Said urates can be anywhere from white to orange and it's fine. They are affected by the type of insects fed and what the insects are fed which makes me wonder.. are carrots the culprit in these recent yellow urates he's been having?

Humid hide: I brought the paper towel to him this morning because I had tiny black specks all over it. I asked was this mold or an external parasite because I have NEVER seen this happen. He said it's mold spores and recommended eco earth instead of paper towels. My concern was impaction. He said in his 20+ years of breeding and keeping reptiles as well as the ones he sees in his practice, he has never seen one impacted or have any issues with it. Plus he said they love to dig in it. Edgar loves to dig but I am concerned it will get in his eyes and scratch his cornea. Thoughts? I asked about the moss as well and he said it can actually grow a certain type of mold that can cause resp infections in people, plus the stringy nature of it can cause intestinal damage if ingested, which is what I've read from some people.

Other than that, he said Edgar was in perfect health! The tech picked him up to get a weight (95g woot!) and surprisingly he was very unsure of her but he didn't try to get out of her hands or anything. He did squawk at the vet when he was examining him. I thought he manhandled him alittle and Edgar let him know! I put him in his cage when we got home and he ran straight in his warm hide and went to sleep.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

They are fed a 1:1 of oats and Solid Gold Holistique Blendz dog food. It comes out to about a cup of each. I add in a tsp of the repcal calcium with d3 and a tsp of the herptivite to 1. get rid of it and 2. since he doesn't always eat dusted prey that well I hope the feeders eat alittle extra calcium and multi and pass it onto him. He's had sparkling white perfect urates until recently.

Come to think of it I used to give them sweet potato and have recently switched to carrots. Could that small change in feeder diet cause discolored urates? That's the only thing that's changed with them. I've always done sweet potato..

Can you check that dog food for protein and fat levels? I have not heard good things about feeding feeders dog food. :-(

Oats are overbalanced in the phosphorus category. Click: http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/s...mat=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=&qlookup=oats

Better to feed sources where the calcium : phosphorus ratio is much closer to 1:1.

Try discontinuing the carrots and see whether the yellow urates go away.

Sweet potatoes contain a huge amount of vitamin A. As far as I know, excessive vitamin A can be problematical for geckos.

 

[hmarie186]

The Holistique Blendz is the lowest protein and fat dog food I've found at 18% and 6%. Ingredients below:

Ingredients: Oatmeal, cracked pearled barley, peas, ocean fish meal, potatoes, canola oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols) , dried eggs, dicalcium phosphate, flaxseed, tomato pomace, natural flavor, potassium chloride, salt, dl-methionine, choline chloride, salmon oil (source of DHA), taurine, dried chicory root, amaranth, parsley flakes, spearmint, almond oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), sesame oil (preserved by mixed tocopherols), Yucca schidigera extract, kelp, thyme, blueberries, cranberries, apples, lentils, quinoa, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, copper sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, manganese sulfate, zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate, folic acid, sodium selenite, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, rosemary extract

Would it be better to buy Alber's poultry feed and grind just that up instead? This is fed to the mealworms and roaches. The mealies grow really plump on the half dog food half oats mixture but I don't want the feed unbalanced.

 

[kvnsu]

The Holistique Blendz is the lowest protein and fat dog food I've found at 18% and 6%. Ingredients below:

Ingredients: Oatmeal, cracked pearled barley, peas, ocean fish meal, potatoes, canola oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols) , dried eggs, dicalcium phosphate, flaxseed, tomato pomace, natural flavor, potassium chloride, salt, dl-methionine, choline chloride, salmon oil (source of DHA), taurine, dried chicory root, amaranth, parsley flakes, spearmint, almond oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), sesame oil (preserved by mixed tocopherols), Yucca schidigera extract, kelp, thyme, blueberries, cranberries, apples, lentils, quinoa, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, copper sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, manganese sulfate, zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate, folic acid, sodium selenite, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, rosemary extract

Would it be better to buy Alber's poultry feed and grind just that up instead? This is fed to the mealworms and roaches. The mealies grow really plump on the half dog food half oats mixture but I don't want the feed unbalanced.

I apologize for butting in your conversation but the Alber's poultry feed would be a better healthier diet for your worms and roaches.. just my 2 cents

 

[hmarie186]

No need to apologize, kvnsu! I'm always looking for better ways to do things and having people here that have WAY more experience than me is so helpful! Can that feed be stored in the freezer? I don't have any cabinet space for a 50 lb bag!

 

[kvnsu]

No need to apologize, kvnsu! I'm always looking for better ways to do things and having people here that have WAY more experience than me is so helpful! Can that feed be stored in the freezer? I don't have any cabinet space for a 50 lb bag![/QUOTE]


I believe it would be fine in the freezer, just make sure it doesn't get any moisture. A friend of mine uses metal garbage cans to store her feed and it works well for her.There is also a 25 pound bag.


From the Alber's Animal feed website(Albers Animal Feeds)
"Feed is perishable and should be stored in a clean, dry, well-ventilated area so it will remain fresh and palatable."

 

[hmarie186]

Is Purina Layena ok? I can't find anyone that sells Albers.

Purina® Layena® SunFresh® Recipe, Crumble, 50 lb. - Tractor Supply Co.

I don't want by products and gross stuff in the food so I liked that it was animal protein free.

 

[kvnsu]

I compared the Purina with the Albers feed.

They are both very similar except the fact that the Purina has more calcium.. From my analysis the Purina is a fine replacement for the poultry feed.

Purinarotein (min.) 16.0%
Lysine (min.) 0.55%
Methionine (min.) 0.25%
Fat (min.) 2.5%
Fiber (max.) 7.0%
Calcium (min.) 3.25%
Calcium (max.) 4.25%
Phosphorus (min.) 0.5%
Salt (min.) 0.3%
Salt (max.) 0.8%
Vitamin A 3,000 IU/lb
Vitamin E 10.5 IU/lb

Albers:Crude Protein Min 16.0 %
Lysine Min 0.70 %
Methionine Min 0.30 %
Crude Fat Min 2.5 %
Crude Fiber Max 6.5 %
Calcium Min 0.6 %
Calcium Max 1.1 %
Phosphorus Min 0.7 %
Salt Min 0.2 %
Salt Max 0.7 %
Sodium Max 0.2 %