Elizabeth Freer
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Good morning, Gekkotan......
What time is it in Brazil? In Oregon it's 2 AM.
What time is it in Brazil? In Oregon it's 2 AM.
Changing feeders food
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"Do you see any problematic ingredients on this list?"
Actually no, just expected to see some different ingredient than the ones we discussed before
"Bioactive vivariums are very popular. From what I've heard, they seem to work. They can also be beautiful.
Do you feel that our reluctance to try something different might stem from lack of confidence? When we are doing something that "mostly" works for us, change seems harder. I mean, change might improve some situation, but there is fear of going backwards."
Absoutely. Would never argue against its beauty. I could try it anytime with any new species I get, specially the ones WC. The kind of clean terrarium I kept my leopards over 10 years let me with fear of change for sure!
Actually no, just expected to see some different ingredient than the ones we discussed before
"Bioactive vivariums are very popular. From what I've heard, they seem to work. They can also be beautiful.
Do you feel that our reluctance to try something different might stem from lack of confidence? When we are doing something that "mostly" works for us, change seems harder. I mean, change might improve some situation, but there is fear of going backwards."
Absoutely. Would never argue against its beauty. I could try it anytime with any new species I get, specially the ones WC. The kind of clean terrarium I kept my leopards over 10 years let me with fear of change for sure!
Elizabeth Freer
Well-known member
"Do you see any problematic ingredients on this list?"
Actually no, just expected to see some different ingredient than the ones we discussed before
"Bioactive vivariums are very popular. From what I've heard, they seem to work. They can also be beautiful.
Do you feel that our reluctance to try something different might stem from lack of confidence? When we are doing something that "mostly" works for us, change seems harder. I mean, change might improve some situation, but there is fear of going backwards."
Absoutely. Would never argue against its beauty. I could try it anytime with any new species I get, specially the ones WC. The kind of clean terrarium I kept my leopards over 10 years let me with fear of change for sure!
That's good. I don't know Portuguese! :razz:
Sometimes it is good to branch out, to take a leap! But I understand just where you've been.
Here's a little trick. Is there a button, a quote button, to the right of your Reply With Quote button? If you want to quote more than one post at a time in your post, click that button on each separate post. Then click Reply to Thread. Then you'll see each separate post in a separate box and you could reply between the boxes. Maybe you already know that.
I'm not very good with technology, but I like to share what I think I know.
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Elizabeth Freer
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Here you will find some recent comments by Hilde on bioactive substrates.
Scroll to post 7 on Jewel Orchids: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...ted-gecko-caresheet-tips-february-2015-a.html
Scroll to post 7 on Jewel Orchids: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...ted-gecko-caresheet-tips-february-2015-a.html
Just a update: since I starting feed the crickets with the new poultry food, almost 2 weeks ago, I can not perceive any harm at all, so it seems to be safe for use. One negative point that I think it has otherwise, is that they apear to be eating less. I put a small portion of food and didnt need to refill it. As expected I think they dont grow up as fast as the ones still fed with cat food.
Elizabeth Freer
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Another update: After a full month using the new food, it seems safe for use, but I noticed the growth was really smaller than the control. I have heard that crickets from the genus Gryllus would need more protein, so, may be occurring a high cannibalism here. As I have 3 crickets boxes, I was thinking in raise them initially with cat food and then, once the crickets reach a size which I could use for feeding the geckos, I start using the chicken food in only one box. If I need to, I tranfer some individuals to the "gut load box". I think this may be the very best option to solve these requirements. As I also keep some arachnids, may be an option to offer them a food which I trust and, raise the crickets fast and garantee a fast reproduction rate. what would be your toughts about it? ps. have yet to test the food with Tenebrio and roaches.
Elizabeth Freer
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I've not heard that crickets from one genus need more protein than other genuses.
I'm lucky to get the gentle brown crickets, Acheta domesticus. When I switched my Acheta domesticus over from Albers All Purpose Poultry Feed to Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food, it seems like my crickets are growing more slowly too. I'm not totally sure. It will take more time for me to decide.
Let us know how your plans go.
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Elizabeth Freer
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By the way, do you have access to many sizes of the crickets you buy? Gryllus ________?
A couple days ago I ordered 1,000 2/3rds grown Acheta dometicus instead of 1/2 grown ones. To that I added 3,000 1/3 grown ones. That order will definitely last my geckos more than one month.
A couple days ago I ordered 1,000 2/3rds grown Acheta dometicus instead of 1/2 grown ones. To that I added 3,000 1/3 grown ones. That order will definitely last my geckos more than one month.
Unfortunately not Elizabeth. As reptiles are not allowed here as I typed before,not many crickets sellers around. The result of this is that they get a bit expensive, like 13 dolars/hundred, so I choiced to breed my own and there have been like this for many years. I know only one company selling them legaly in Brazil, all others sellers are reptile keepers with extra crickets who probably acquired them from this company. Unfortunately I dont know the species of this Gryllus sp
By the way, do you have access to many sizes of the crickets you buy? Gryllus ________?
A couple days ago I ordered 1,000 2/3rds grown Acheta dometicus instead of 1/2 grown ones. To that I added 3,000 1/3 grown ones. That order will definitely last my geckos more than one month.
Elizabeth Freer
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WOW! That is expensive. That's a good reason to breed your own.
I get mine for $54 per 3,000 and $22 per 1,000 with minimal shipping charges right now. I can get many sizes. There are cheaper options in the USA.
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rabzouz
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As a european that sounds just too funny to me. Bioactive. That stuff is in practice for decades over here, itll be harder to find people without Collembola, Trichorhina tomentosa or Porcellionides pruinosus in their soil than with (at least for not-desert vivariums). Nobody would call that specifically bioactive tho. I think the dart frog guys in the US regularly do that as well. In larger vivariums there are prolly roaches, Centipedes, Rainworms, Zophobas,etc. that will regularly be a part of the soilfauna.
anyways, just wanted to chime in that if you want to optimize the roach diet, keeping them humid enough and giving them little protein are some points to ponder, as those factors will up their uric acid content from what ive read/heard. a quick google search found that english text which explains a lil bit about it. Resources :: Reptile Articles :: Can Feeder Insect Diets Contribute To Gout In Reptiles? - Repashy Ventures - Specialty Pet Products
Indeed! Thanks for the article!
I didnt mention the shipping costs too, which is also prohibitive expensive. Here In fact everything is expensive. To get an idea of how much reptiles costs here, you should to multiply for five the prices of animals in US. The variety is very limited so, when any new species is avaliable, it will cost probably higher. Tokay gecko for example are not existent in brazilian hobby. I am trying to get some WC for over 100 dollars each.
Well, have kept crickets for years and this is no problem. At least I know in which conditions they are kept before become food too...
WOW! That is expensive. That's a good reason to bread your own.
I didnt mention the shipping costs too, which is also prohibitive expensive. Here In fact everything is expensive. To get an idea of how much reptiles costs here, you should to multiply for five the prices of animals in US. The variety is very limited so, when any new species is avaliable, it will cost probably higher. Tokay gecko for example are not existent in brazilian hobby. I am trying to get some WC for over 100 dollars each.
Well, have kept crickets for years and this is no problem. At least I know in which conditions they are kept before become food too...
Elizabeth Freer
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Thanks for sharing this informative link!
I've read this too, rabzouz: That excessive protein (from cat food, dog food, and/or fish flakes) increases the uric acid of roaches, crickets, and other feeders and leads to gout in our geckos!
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