Help with Leopard Gecko odd behavior or sick?

Sandman799

New member
We have an adult female leopard gecko named Wendy and today she started exhibiting odd behavior, every day I take out our three geckos, two are younglings and Wendy is the adult female and when I went to take her out today I couldn’t find her in any of her three hides, one humid hot one dry hot and one cool dry and I freaked out thinking where the hell is my gecko and then I noticed she was curled up in her water bowl that we keep on the cool side of her habitat so the water was very cold and so was she, I was worried maybe she was a bit conscripted? So we took her out and warmed her up and gave her love and attention and then soaked her in warm water and then gave her more love and attention, because she was so cold it bothered me so I cleaned her water bowl and this time we put it on the warm end of the habitat so if she did lay in it again at least she wouldn’t get too cold, and a few minutes ago we went to get her out again and once again she’s curled up in her water bowl, she did shed last night and it wasn’t too bad except on one toe which is always the case with her because she has a bad scale that always needs to be handled by us or her toe would end up getting cut off from circulation restriction, anyway this is something she’s never done before and I need to know if I should worry? so can anyone tell me what this behavior is about?
 

PoppyDear

New member
Hello! A few questions,

•What are the temperatures, ambient and ground on both hot and cool sides?
•Has she been pooping?
•What is her normal diet?
•Is her moist hide in the tank 24/7?

My first guess is that she might be dehydrated and is hydrating herself. Make sure you always provide fresh water and a moist hide. Take a look at her urates and look for ones smaller than 1/3 to 1/2 the size of the poop. If she isn't pooping she may be impacted, what is her diet? When is the last time she pooped? If there are any other symptoms accompanying her odd behavior I would advise a vet trip to rule out any illnesses causing this behavior.

I wouldn't soak her for a bit, she is already getting anough water from her own soaks. Keep handling to 15 minutes or less for now as that may stress her out further until everything is figured out.

Hope it's nothing too sinister!
 

Elizabeth Freer

Well-known member
Hello ~

Welcome to Geckos Unlimited. Please share pictures of your leos and of their enclosure.

Have you all these leos in one enclosure? What size is it? What are the ground temps of the warm end, cool end?

I suggest moving the younglings to their own enclosure right away.
  • How old are they?
  • Do you know their sexes?
  • If both of the younglings are male, they should each be separated as well.
 

Sandman799

New member
Hello ~

Welcome to Geckos Unlimited. Please share pictures of your leos and of their enclosure.

Have you all these leos in one enclosure? What size is it? What are the ground temps of the warm end, cool end?

I suggest moving the younglings to their own enclosure right away.
  • How old are they?
  • Do you know their sexes?
  • If both of the younglings are male, they should each be separated as well.

Hello ~

Welcome to Geckos Unlimited. Please share pictures of your leos and of their enclosure.

Have you all these leos in one enclosure? What size is it? What are the ground temps of the warm end, cool end?

I suggest moving the younglings to their own enclosure right away.
  • How old are they?
  • Do you know their sexes?
  • If both of the younglings are male, they should each be separated as well.

All of ou Geckos are in separate enclosures, I went to check temps and the battery on the thermometer is dead on her tank thermometer so I have to get a battery today, but the warm end is controlled by a a zoo med gecko under tank heating pad that is new so whatever the temp they put out is the tank temp? I did have an adjustable heating pad controller hoooked up but it seemed to not let the heating pad operate at full temp even all the way up so now we just use the heater by pad plugged directly into the wall, It is a name brand heating pad that is meant for geckos so I wouldn’t know how to adjust the heat other then a different heating pad?

She has two water sources in her tank, one is a 3” inch or 4” inch round water bowl that is meant for geckos, it looks like a tree stump kinda and then there is a waterfall in her tank, the skull one with the blue led lights, her main diet is meal worms because she stopped eating crickets after a near death experience maybe two years ago when she had a very bad shed that left a ring of skin around the last 1/3rd of her tail that started restricting the end of her tail and she tried to chew it off and severely injured her tail so bad it got infected and she got very sick and almost died, I stepped in to help our daughter with Wendy because our daughter didn’t know what to do to help her so I helped, I spent day and night taking care of her and even slept in front of her cage in the living room and watched over her day and night and and after we nursed her back to health she had bonded well th me and our daughter wanted me to have her so she’s been mine since then and then all she would eat is meal worms, I also give her wax worms as treats or if her weight is low, we got her as an adult from the pet shop and she was mal nourished when we got her and had to fatten her up, and with her being mal nourished before we got her it seemed to have stunted her growth, her weight full grown when we got her was only 23 to 25 grams now we are able to keep her weight about 40 to 50 grams or so on average so she’s very petite, anyways she has two water sources in her habitat, a water bowl and a reptirapids waterfall, and meal worms daily and wax worms for treats, I try the get her to eat crickets every few days, but no luck, we also give her reptaid monthly to keep her system parasite free and then we try to get her to eat the flukers repti boost if she isn’t eating normally as for the younglings one is a male we got in early July and he was only a few weeks old when we got him (we thought he was a she but she ended up being a him) the second youngling is I’m pretty sure a female but she is still only a few weeks old but we’re pretty sure shes a female, we’ve since learned more about on how to more closely guess a sex at early age, the young female is maybe two or three months old right now, we have had her about two or three weeks to a month, right now the younglings are each in their own ten gallon tanks, Wendy is in her own 18”x24” x18” Exo Terra leopard gecko habitat that has the double front opening doors and screen top so it’s pretty big for her, we use repti carpet instead of leopard gecko sand for our geckos, well except for our crested gecko who has the fiber dirt substrate and the same type habitat as Wendy except his is the taller 18”x18”x24” inch version of the Exo Terra terrarium but it’s for crested geckos.

Wendy has been pretty healthy over the last two years, I will get a battery for the thermometer as soon as I can to check temps, she seems to poop regularly and we thought that she might be impacted and that was why she was in the water dish, I always gently massage her tummy and feel to make sure there’s no odd hard spots in her tummy, so if she hasn’t pooped in a while we will soak her in warm water and gently massage her tummy to help her go, we don’t mind if she poops on us, we can always wash after she does, so anyways we soaked her in the warm water even after she had been laying in her water bowl, I will check the pool to urate size of her next poop, uhmm there was one other odd thing about her behavior, was she was very vocal when I was holding her after taking her out of her water dish we call them croaks? But it’s more of a squishy croaky sound and she was making these sounds a lot which is odd because she rarely makes any sounds so I did think it very strange for her to make lots more noises then normal? Since her getting her out of her water bowl the second time she hasn’t gotten back into it again, luckily the water was warm instead of cwater me because it’s fall here and it gets cold in Utah because winter is coming fast, when it comes to her eating we keep calcium powder in her cage with pad raised dried insects if she gets hungry, we no longer leave let be insects in her cage because we’ve had bad experiences with it like the meal worms turning into some know nd or brown beetle that tried eating her tail, we never saw them because they hid in her moist humid hide in the moss, we just assumed she had been eating the meal worms from her dish but were wrong, and one day we went to take her out of her moist humid hide and there were a few eating the flesh off her tail which we immediately cleaned her cage and made sure none were left anywhere, then we kept doctoring her tail with the Neosporin and stuff until her tail healed, so now we try and hand feed her nightly, most the time she eats unless she’s getting ready to shed and then she won’t eat anything, sometimes she will go for a few weeks without eating, seems like it’s once a year that she does this and then after a while she will start eating voraciously again, we haven’t tried to get her back on crickets at one of these times yet because we just stopped buying crickets because they went to waste every time but now with the younglings that eat crickets, meal worms, and wax worms for treats we won’t have to worry about them going to waste every time so her next fasting session I’ll see if we can get her to eat crickets again because I do want to work them back into her diet because it’s healthier to give them a varied diet, and our babies love having all three insects to eat plus who wants to eat the exact same thing every day of their lives? Not me and I don’t want my animals to have to either, I would try roaches but I won’t allow them in my home, anyways anything else you need to know to help please ask.

Last thought I had was maybe her laying in her water bowl was a result of her shedding the night before and her skin was irritated or sensative? She did seem a bit sensative yesterday, as far as handling her I don’t think it stresses her out, she’s a sweetheart and she loves to be loved on and doted on and she is the mildest temperamented gecko you’ll ever see, she has never bitten ever, not intentionally, she did accidentally bite me once, we were trying to help get a piece of skin off her bad toe and she was trying to turn and bite it off herself and my hand was in the wrong place and she barely got hold of me a little and she let loose as soon as she realized it wasn’t her toe she was biting and she seemed to feel bad about it, no I’m serious, she seemed to feel bad just by her reaction, she is a very loving girl and loves to curl up on my shoulder next to my neck or she loves me to cup my hand on a pillow or something soft and she will crawl into my hand and curl up and nuzzle into my hand and lay her head on my thumb and she will lay there and watch tv with me so holding her has never stressed her out, it actually seems more like she likes to be held more when she isn’t feeling good, like I said she’s a very loving mild tempered girl and won’t even bite or get aggressive with the babies even after one bit her on the face, yeah the male bit her once when he was first new here and he was hungry and mad he hadn’t been fed yet so he lashed out the one time and he hasn’t done it since, but Wendy did not bite back, she was upset and ran over to me and climbed into my hand and hid her head, so I babied her and gave her love and scolded waves, the male baby is named waves, originally his name was Waverly but when she turned out to be a he we shortened his name to Waves and it fits because he loves to wave his tail around, he gets very animated with his tail and so we kept his original name and shortened it to waves, then the baby girl is named Winona or Nono for short, which again fits because we’re always telling her no no no when she is bad which is frequently, she has a bad habit of jumping or leaping, I mean she’s a daredevil and is literally fearless and will jump out of our hands if we’re not careful with her, another habit she has is she LOVES jumping on my face, not my wife or daughters faces but just my face or shoulder, she just loves to jump and she can get some distance too, I mean she can get a good 12” or more distance, but if she’s close enough to my face she’ll leap for it and once jumped onto my face mid sentence and part of her landed in my mouth, I’m just glad we let them bathe every week, she also loves swimming too, anyway Winona is the baby, she’s the youngest and the biggest handful of them all, anyway back to Wendy, she seems to be better at least for now, I’ll keep a close eye on her, well closer eye on her then normal, she gets lots of attention every day, so guys thanks again for your help and input and any other info or advice or suggestions would be appreciated much, I’ll post pictures of the babies and their enclosures except for a picture of Wendy but only because she’s resting now and I don’t want to bother her and I’ll take more pictures of her next time I check on her... oh and her moist humid hide is always in her enclosure and I keep typically keep track of her shed cycles so I know when she’s getting ready to shed, usually every 14 days or so and I keep track of the babies shed cycles too just in case they need help with their sheds
 

Sandman799

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The pictures should be first pic is Winona’s habitat, second is Waves Habitat and third is Wendy’s habitat and fourth is Willy’s habitat, the last picture is of waves and Winona, Waves is the pinky boy and Winona is the darker smaller Leo with the yellow tinge of color on her back, we will end up buying them both the larger Exo Terra habitats when they reach adulthood and then probably repurpose the small habitats for new babies, my wife used to be terrified of snakes and other reptiles, even lizards, she still gets freaked out by Willy, the crested gecko because he’s jumpy and a handful, but she’s always been afraid of all reptiles until we got Wendy, and when our daughter picked her out and bought her she was already an adult but our daughter picked her even though she was full grown and chose her over the baby leopard geckos they had at the time, after our daughter bought Wendy my wife really changed and wasn’t afraid of her and after a very short time she quickly grew to love Wendy and wasn’t freaked out by her or afraid of her and now she loves her, Willy still freaks her out a little bit but only because he’s a bad boy but now she absolutely loves leopard geckos and it was her that prompted us buying the last two babies and she picked out Winona and before that told me and my daughter to go buy Waves so it’s neat that she got over her fear of reptiles (or at least leopard geckos) all because of Wendy and the other leopard geckos we have now, they are very therapeutic and now my wife loves them and wants to get more and if she had her way we would buy all the babies they get in at the local pet store, myself I have to find one I have an immediate bond with like with Wendy and Waves and Winona but I guess you could pretty much bond after you get them but usually I pick out a pet based on a feeling I have for the animal when I see it and hold it and pet it, Winona is a bit bratty and likes to bite me occasionally but it’s not hard and usually it’s when she’s hungry and it’s like she’s saying “see you should have fed me sooner” we give them kisses, like Eskimo kisses with nose to nose and a kissing sound and she bit my nose once when I was giving her a kiss kiss, and when we first got her she wouldn’t eat and I had to stroke the side of her mouth to get her to open it so we could get a cricket or meal worms in her mouth while she was biting my finger and after a week or two she finally started eating on her own without getting her to bite me but now she seems to lightly bite me when she’s hungry as if to say hey bucko I’m hungry so feed me or I’ll eat your finger, or my nose the one time🤣 anyway these are two of our babies and all of their haditats
 

PoppyDear

New member
This is going to be a long post so sit back and relax! 😂

Heating
Firstly, no heat mats are ever set at a certain temperature. They will fluctuate in temperature, from the low 80s to the high 100s, neither of which are appropriate temperatures for your gecko. A thermometer is good! However it is essential that you have a thermostat to control your temperatures. Here is the one I reccomend:

•Click: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000...340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=jumpstart+thermostat

A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
•88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
•no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
•no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

Water

Make sure that water fall is not increasing humidity beyond 50%ish. The water bowl is fine. Just make sure she can't hurt herself on the water fall by climbing on it and falling.

Diet

The diet is inadequate at the moment. A staple of mealworms is not the healthiest for her and might only add to her problems. I understand that if she is not eating crickets she has to eat something. However, I would still reccomend you try other, healthier insects often even if she won't eat them. Such as dubia roaches, crickets and supplimenting the diet with variety, hornworms, calci-worms, etc. Don't feed waxworms too often either, they are fattening and also unhealthy, she could use more healthy additions to her diet before adding in some waxworms.

Dubia roaches are much easier to care for and keep than crickets! I understand if you don't want them in your home, but they are not likely to escape at all, if that is what you are worried about. I commend you on working towards a more varied and healthy diet for your geckos, however!

Are you feeding dead food? Dry, dead crickets are lacking in nutrition and moisture on many points and often won't be eaten. Live food is much better! To solve your problem with free roaming insects that bite your gecko, leave them in for only 15 minutes and remove any uneaten. If they are too fast for her, pop them in the fridge for a minute or two to slow them. Use a better mealworm dish next time, Lee's mealworms dishes have worked well for me but there are also the round glazed ones at petshops that are sure to keep beatles from escaping if they ever do turn. (Keep in mind, if you see mealworm pupa, remove them to eradicate that problem, but you might remove uneaten so they don't die and you can keep gutloading them.)

Also, as a side note, please don't use neosporin next time your gecko has an injury, you are much better off using Silvadene cream.

Calcium

Would you mind sharing your suppliment schedule? What you dust with and when? I would reccomend removing the calcium dishes to avoid the chances of overdoses.

Wendy

She sounds like a very sweet gecko! I think the water bowl incident could have to do with hydration, impaction, shedding or the like. As long as all other husbandry is correct, which means some modifications to heating and diet as well as other things mentioned, and she exhibits no other symptoms I think she's fine.

However, those sounds she is making may be due to stress or the like. I still would reccomend limiting handling and contact from the other geckos in case something is truly wrong.

Winona

All the jumping sounds like she is scared and/or stressed, I can't judge not seeing it in person but falling and such can really injure her even if it is not jumping out of fear. Maybe handling on the ground or in the tank for awhile until she settles would be more appropriate?

Aso, please be careful of touching your face to your geckos, especially when she jumped in your mouth (Which I understand was not anticipated). Salmonella is found in roughly 70% of lizards, in their digestive systems which is normal for them and usually not harmful. However, as you probably know, salmonella is harmful to humans if contracted. So I stress washing your hands after you're done handling them and maybe limit the "nose kissing", which I have also done!

The biting is also aggression or stress-like behavior, maybe take a step back from taming to decrease this?

Waves

He is a gorgeous gecko! However tail waving doesn't sound that good, when does he exhibit this behavior? It is usually done when they are spooked, mating behavior or aggression. If it is done to your females, beware that he isn't trying to mate. Or since the genders are still iffy at this point (I will explain below) he may be aggressive towards another male if they are incorrectly sexed (I am not doubting you but it is a possibility, that is all!). If he is doing towards you, make sure he is not stressed or the like.

Baths are completely unecessary and stressful in my experience. I understand all geckos are different, but geckos are not suited to water whatsoever and the stress of swimming may be huge. Plus, water should not be simple bath water with all the chemicals and temperatures will have to be monitered throughout. I would only limit baths to when they have a bad shed or are constipated. If you feel they enjoy the baths over everything, heavily research appropriate water conditions and stress behavior of geckos so you can watch for it. Did you practice quarantine before handling together?

Quarantine Recommendations
Any new gecko should be quarantined for a minimum of 90 days prior to introducing her/him to the other geckos in the same cage. That gives adequate time to check for parasites, cryptosporidia, and the beginnings of coccidia plus. 3-6 months of quarantine are recommended if your new gecko is imported or wild caught.

The quarantine area should be in a separate room apart from your established geckos. Stringent sanitation methods MUST be followed!


If you handle all the geckos together, be careful. The biting of one another isn't a good sign though it has stopped, their company might be damaging as well but I have seen people o it with no issue. I simply urge you to be careful. Make sure that all their habitats have the appropriate hides too, DRY cool hide, DRY warm hide, and MOIST warm hide. They all need thermostats as well. Keep in mind, gender can only be identified if you know their age or incubation temperatures.

Sexing Leopard Geckos -- Leopard geckos become sexable at about 6 months old. Males can be distinguished from females by a distinct /\-shaped row of pores above the vent and by bulges below the vent. To see their vents and potential male pores and bulges gently press their bodies up against the glass. They'll squirm if you try to turn them over.
•Click: Sexing Leopard Geckos



A lot of their behaviors just sound very stressed to me, but again, I can only judge from what I have here. I hope I am not being too harsh either! Your family sounds as if they care for your geckos so much and I am so glad your wife got over her fear! I am only doing my best to help and sometimes I come off as abrasive, it is not at all what I mean! Your geckos sound very lovely as well as your family. ♡



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