Had female Gecko 1 week, and she's not eaten anything..otherwise doing well

Dandelion18

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My gecko is 7 months old. She was shipped by a reputable breeder to me Monday last week. So this is the 9th day I've had her. She walks around her enclosure, explores, and seems healthy. But she is totally uninterested in the superworms I have in her dish, and that I've also tried tong feeding her. Someone suggested that she may be ovulating. Is it ok that she isn't eating all this time? She will climb on my hand, and seems totally healthy and has even been becoming more tame within the short time I've had her. Just wanting to know what's normal, and when to be concerned. Thanks.
 

acpart

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Do you know for sure that she was eating super worms with the breeder? I try to alternate between crickets and super worms with my geckos and some just won't eat them. You could try crickets or roaches. On the other hand, even a week without eating for a new gecko isn't that surprising.

Aliza
 

Dandelion18

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She was eating gut loaded mealworms however we only have regular meal worms in town so I was told to go with the superworms. It's good to know that a week without eating isn't unusual for a new gecko. :)
 

IHaveNoIdea

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Do you even know what "gutloaded" means? You buy, for example, regular mealworms, you feed them - load their guts, and then you feed them to your gecko.
Superworms might be a bit too big for a 7mo gecko. Try mealworms, small dubia roaches, regular blatta lateralis or crickets.
Don't forget to dust your feeders with calcium and sometimes vitamins.
 

Dandelion18

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Do you even know what "gutloaded" means? You buy, for example, regular mealworms, you feed them - load their guts, and then you feed them to your gecko.
Superworms might be a bit too big for a 7mo gecko. Try mealworms, small dubia roaches, regular blatta lateralis or crickets.
Don't forget to dust your feeders with calcium and sometimes vitamins.

Yes, I do know what it means, but thank you for being so kind to explain. However I'm not interested in setting up a mealworm colony with all the gut loading foods and having an extra task to do with my already busy life. So I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. And use what I have available. The superworms come in different sizes and I got the size the breeder recommended. Also, she is a super giant gecko, so she isn't very small. Maybe my gecko noticed a difference and isn't interested. Maybe she is ovulating. Maybe she is still adjusting and that is all it is and she will start eating soon. We shall see. I'm going to try offering her some silk worms soon.
 

IHaveNoIdea

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Setting up a mealworm colony? Just buy a little dose of worms a throw in a piece of carrot.. Not that difficult is it? If you buy the worms already fed, they will shit what they ate in two days, so there is no point in buying them fed.
 

acpart

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Mealworms: as I understand it, they are usually sold in wheat bran which is an adequate (though not superlative) gutload

Super worms: I've fed reasonable sized super worms to geckos as small as 11 grams without incident (not my first choice for a gecko that size, but she wouldn't eat anything else)

Aliza
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Yes, I do know what it means, but thank you for being so kind to explain. However I'm not interested in setting up a mealworm colony with all the gut loading foods and having an extra task to do with my already busy life. So I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. And use what I have available. The superworms come in different sizes and I got the size the breeder recommended. Also, she is a super giant gecko, so she isn't very small. Maybe my gecko noticed a difference and isn't interested. Maybe she is ovulating. Maybe she is still adjusting and that is all it is and she will start eating soon. We shall see. I'm going to try offering her some silk worms soon.

Mealworms: as I understand it, they are usually sold in wheat bran which is an adequate (though not superlative) gutload

Super worms: I've fed reasonable sized super worms to geckos as small as 11 grams without incident (not my first choice for a gecko that size, but she wouldn't eat anything else)

Aliza
Producing your own mealworms or superworms is easy. Click and scroll to post 2: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/community/feeders-food-and-nutrition/35613-mealworm-breeding.html

Replace any bedding the mealworms or superworms are packaged in with something like Pro Gutload cricket feed.

  • Wheat Germ -- Show Foods
    calcium 39
    phosphorus 842
    ratio: 1 part calcium : 22 parts phosphorus

  • Wheat Bran -- Show Foods
    calcium 73
    phosphorus 1,013
    ratio: 1 part calcium : 14 parts phosphorus

  • Oats -- Show Foods
    calcium 54
    phosphorus 523
    ratio: 1 part calcium : 10 parts phosphorus
 
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IHaveNoIdea

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Nobody is saying that keeping your own mealworm/superworm colony and producing new ones is necessary. Even I wouldn't do that, when they cost 1 dollar and last a month+. Like I said, buying a small box of them and throwing a piece of carrot or lettuce inside is enough in my opinion.
 

Dandelion18

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Producing your own mealworms or superworms is easy. Click and scroll to post 2: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/community/feeders-food-and-nutrition/35613-mealworm-breeding.html

I'd replace any bedding the mealworms or superworms are packaged in with something like Pro Gutload cricket feed.

Elizabeth,so if I replace the wheat bran the worms at in with pro gut load cricket feed, is that sufficient for a good gut loading feed without adding anything else such as a carrot or potato like others do? Also, I keep the mealworms in the fridge, and they don't look like they even move, I was wondering, do they actually eat under those conditions?
Lastly, what brand of "pro gut load cricket feed" should I get? I did a search and a variety of different looking foods came up so I wasn't sure what exactly to be looking for. Thanks!
 

IHaveNoIdea

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We use just a piece of carrot or potato, because it's enough. Pro gut load cricket feed is expensive and not good enough in money/value ratio. Of course it is better, but the benefit isn't that higher. There is a lot of vitamins in regular fruits and vegetables. Get a decent multivitamin supplement (which you will have to buy anyway) and you are good to go.
Don't store them in fridge, because they will not eat.
Feeding JUST mealworms to your gecko isn't good. You need to provide variety of bugs. MW are high in fat as well. Get some crickets and roaches from time to time.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Elizabeth,so if I replace the wheat bran the worms at in with pro gut load cricket feed, is that sufficient for a good gut loading feed without adding anything else such as a carrot or potato like others do? Also, I keep the mealworms in the fridge, and they don't look like they even move, I was wondering, do they actually eat under those conditions?
Lastly, what brand of "pro gut load cricket feed" should I get? I did a search and a variety of different looking foods came up so I wasn't sure what exactly to be looking for. Thanks!

Here's the link to the Pro Gutload diet acpart (Aliza) uses: 1 lb Pro Gutload - Professional Reptiles. It's quite important to replace the wheat bran bedding mealworms are packed in. Wheat bran is too high in phosphorus. Phosphorus impairs the absorption of calcium.

In addition to the Pro Gutload diet, Aliza feeds veggie scraps to the feeders as well. Just don't feed apple seeds or Bell pepper seeds! Those coud cause choking. The best high calcium/low phosphorus leafy greens are: collard, mustard, and turnip greens and pesticide-free dandelion flowers/greens. These greens also provide moisture.

Mealworms will metabolize their food when kept at room temperature, but not in the refrigerator.

Click: Mealworm & Superworm Tips......acpart, Hilde, & swisswiss -- July 2017

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Varalidaine

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Hello there, I wanted to cover a few things:

I'm pretty sure she is too young to ovulate. 7 months seems like a juvenile still and I don't think her body would be preparing for breeding at such a young age. I've seen female gecko's that take years to get into an ovulation cycle, so I don't think she would be ovulating. It's very common for reptiles to go off food for a few weeks after being acquired. Shipping and being plopped in a new environment is pretty stressful, so it's very possible she was just stressed out. Has she started eating yet?

As far as gut-loading yourself vs buying them fed, any insect you buy will need to be consistently fed. Feeding doesn't mean breeding and definitely doesn't require any extra expenses. I keep my feeder insects in a plastic kritter keeper container and put them in Eco-Earth for a substrate. Then I toss in a fresh veggies every few days. Good staple leafy greens are Collard Greens, Dandelion Greens, Escarole, Curly Endive, and Mustard Greens. You can also use de-spined cactus pad and cactus pear. Squashes are good as well, like Summer Squash, Winter Squash, Acorn Squash, Butternut Squash, and Spaghetti Squash. Those can be fed raw, you don't have to cook them first. Other fruits and veggies can be cycled through. An occasional apricot or slice of apple is fine every other week or so. You don't need artificial supplements for your feeder insects, especially if you're already dusting them with calcium and the occasional multi vitamin when feeding them to your gecko. Feeding your insects is a requirement, just like keeping her tank warm and cleaning her. It's just part of having reptiles :)!

As it's been said, you don't want to keep them in the fridge. Mealworms last a crazy long time without being in the fridge and it's healthier for your gecko if the worms are active and digesting food properly.

As a last little side-note, variety is important. Mealworms are high in fat and feeding solely mealworms or superworms can lead to fatty liver disease and obesity. The healthiest feeders are Dubia Roaches, Red Runner Roaches, Silkworms, and Phoenix Worms. Crickets can be good as well but the others have better nutrient profiles. Mealworms and Superworms should be considered more like a treat or a part of a varied diet.

Don't get overwhelmed with the concept of gutloading. It's as simple as putting some leafy greens in whatever container your feeders are stored in :)
 

Dandelion18

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Hello there, I wanted to cover a few things:

I'm pretty sure she is too young to ovulate. 7 months seems like a juvenile still and I don't think her body would be preparing for breeding at such a young age. I've seen female gecko's that take years to get into an ovulation cycle, so I don't think she would be ovulating. It's very common for reptiles to go off food for a few weeks after being acquired. Shipping and being plopped in a new environment is pretty stressful, so it's very possible she was just stressed out. Has she started eating yet?

As far as gut-loading yourself vs buying them fed, any insect you buy will need to be consistently fed. Feeding doesn't mean breeding and definitely doesn't require any extra expenses. I keep my feeder insects in a plastic kritter keeper container and put them in Eco-Earth for a substrate. Then I toss in a fresh veggies every few days. Good staple leafy greens are Collard Greens, Dandelion Greens, Escarole, Curly Endive, and Mustard Greens. You can also use de-spined cactus pad and cactus pear. Squashes are good as well, like Summer Squash, Winter Squash, Acorn Squash, Butternut Squash, and Spaghetti Squash. Those can be fed raw, you don't have to cook them first. Other fruits and veggies can be cycled through. An occasional apricot or slice of apple is fine every other week or so. You don't need artificial supplements for your feeder insects, especially if you're already dusting them with calcium and the occasional multi vitamin when feeding them to your gecko. Feeding your insects is a requirement, just like keeping her tank warm and cleaning her. It's just part of having reptiles :)!

As it's been said, you don't want to keep them in the fridge. Mealworms last a crazy long time without being in the fridge and it's healthier for your gecko if the worms are active and digesting food properly.

As a last little side-note, variety is important. Mealworms are high in fat and feeding solely mealworms or superworms can lead to fatty liver disease and obesity. The healthiest feeders are Dubia Roaches, Red Runner Roaches, Silkworms, and Phoenix Worms. Crickets can be good as well but the others have better nutrient profiles. Mealworms and Superworms should be considered more like a treat or a part of a varied diet.

Don't get overwhelmed with the concept of gutloading. It's as simple as putting some leafy greens in whatever container your feeders are stored in :)


Thanks for the advice it was very helpful. No she still hasn't eaten anything other than her shed skin!
 
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acpart

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I have actually had 7 month old leopard geckos ovulate, not that I would breed them at that age!

Aliza
 

Varalidaine

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You're very welcome! I remember how overwhelming and confusing starting out with reptiles is. Just keep on trucking and asking questions :)

It's been like 1-2 weeks since you got her, right? She could still just be nervous. What is your set up like? Size of cage, lights vs heatmat, temperatures? And have you tried any other insects yet?
 

GeckoFanboy

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I truly think the best thing to do with a new gecko is NOT to handle it very much, if at all. It needs time to adjust to it's new environment, new surroundings, new temp setup, new feeding schedule, new feeders, new smells, new sounds, new owner, etc, etc...
 

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[MENTION=56079]IHaveNoIdea[/MENTION], please keep it civil and refrain from foul language.

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[MENTION=56079]IHaveNoIdea[/MENTION], please keep it civil and refrain from foul language.

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..are you seriously warning me, because I wrote "shit"? :crackup: I don't think I'm damaging the innocence of any kids that are present at this forum (and there isn't lot of them I guess).
 
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yes, because swearing is against the rules of this forum. I don't really think it's too much to ask.
 
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