Tokay Morphs...
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billewicz
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So, I was having a genetic discussion a couple of days ago when I had an 'A-Haaaa!' moment. We were talking about complex genetic traits where 3 or more traits have to line up between the breeding pair.
I believe I've seen some of this in breeding various 'calico' to 'calico' together. And I use the term calico broadly to describe any number of Tokay with a white body and patches ranging from black spots to multicolored patches like my avatar Tokay.
In her case, she was bred to a similar male that had the same yellow/gold patches which may be developing in the only visual offspring I got from them so far. (The other two were normal looking). The assumption is that his two two traits matched two of her three traits. (Just a theory at this point).
The other theory I'm looking at is that several of my 'calico' are more than likely high white pied. They have patterns in their patches that look more like a normal or melanistic pattern. They may have different colored eyes as well and are not peach headed.
Just for fun, here is another "Complex Calico" girl for your review, enjoy.
Michael
I believe I've seen some of this in breeding various 'calico' to 'calico' together. And I use the term calico broadly to describe any number of Tokay with a white body and patches ranging from black spots to multicolored patches like my avatar Tokay.
In her case, she was bred to a similar male that had the same yellow/gold patches which may be developing in the only visual offspring I got from them so far. (The other two were normal looking). The assumption is that his two two traits matched two of her three traits. (Just a theory at this point).
The other theory I'm looking at is that several of my 'calico' are more than likely high white pied. They have patterns in their patches that look more like a normal or melanistic pattern. They may have different colored eyes as well and are not peach headed.
Just for fun, here is another "Complex Calico" girl for your review, enjoy.
Michael
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Riverside Reptiles
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Awesome coloration on her Michael. How old is she? Were the white patches there when she was born? Or have they developed over time?
billewicz
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Oppps, sorry. She's another import from last year, not one of my hatchlings. But I'll tell you she was mostly white with dark gray patches and black spots 18 months ago.
She keeps getting darker gray, filling in if you will, over time. The green/yellow spots are fairly new and the blue head is brand new this week. You can see her eyes have a faint white 'texture' or pattern in them as well.
When she stresses, she goes almost jet black with just the white circles around her eyes and the patch on her side.
She keeps getting darker gray, filling in if you will, over time. The green/yellow spots are fairly new and the blue head is brand new this week. You can see her eyes have a faint white 'texture' or pattern in them as well.
When she stresses, she goes almost jet black with just the white circles around her eyes and the patch on her side.
danniel
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Riverside Reptiles
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I'll be interested to see what becomes of offspring from these guys. I have yet to find any reports of anyone having visual calico offspring. Or even having the trait breed true. There's either something we're all missing, or it's simply not a predictable morph. Obviously, I'm hoping that it's just something we're missing and can figure out.
billewicz
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The closest I've come is the one out-of-four visual from my Avatar girl and the boy in the first pic. The hatchling originally looked white with gray patches. Here are three photos of it right now.
It seems that the 'yellow/green' trait was common between them. The other hatchlings still look like normal Tokay.
It seems that the 'yellow/green' trait was common between them. The other hatchlings still look like normal Tokay.
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TarAntonio
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hi to all tokay-fans
These are my 2 females cb'2011 taken from greeneyedgecko (him nick here)
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thanks for looking
These are my 2 females cb'2011 taken from greeneyedgecko (him nick here)
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thanks for looking
Riverside Reptiles
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Very nice Antonio! Good to see some captive bred morphs hitting the market. I love the blue headed green morph and have a group of them myself that hopefully will be producing soon as well. How old are your girls?
TarAntonio
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thanks
are born in june 2011
are born in june 2011
Green-eyed Gecko
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hey antonio,
nice pictures - good to see they're doing well!
nice pictures - good to see they're doing well!
This thread has been dead for a while so I thought I would post up this interesting little guy...
This guy was labelled up as a 66% poss het for Powder Blue. It came from a DH x DH (Lucy/Powder blue) pairing. Both parent's I believe came from Morgan (thehotchick1000). This would lead me to believe that because it is visually different but clearly not a powder blue, Morgan's Lucy would be a very very white Calico (and a bloody stunning one at that!) as the Lucy gene is thought to be simple recessive. I have also heard somewhere on here (might be Michael or Ethan) that Green Granites have produced from Calico/Calico pairings.
Seeing as this guy left the states looking like your regular wild-type Tokay hatchling and arrived to me looking like this I would say this transformation happened within a single shed and it is infact a Homozygous Calico.
Any thoughts?
This guy was labelled up as a 66% poss het for Powder Blue. It came from a DH x DH (Lucy/Powder blue) pairing. Both parent's I believe came from Morgan (thehotchick1000). This would lead me to believe that because it is visually different but clearly not a powder blue, Morgan's Lucy would be a very very white Calico (and a bloody stunning one at that!) as the Lucy gene is thought to be simple recessive. I have also heard somewhere on here (might be Michael or Ethan) that Green Granites have produced from Calico/Calico pairings.
Seeing as this guy left the states looking like your regular wild-type Tokay hatchling and arrived to me looking like this I would say this transformation happened within a single shed and it is infact a Homozygous Calico.
Any thoughts?
spiderlover
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i got myself a pair of lucy tokay also last week...please advise
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spiderlover
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yes i will do that for sure...just wanna ask are there any information can find out the apperarance of different location?because i am living in hong kong,i get to see alot of tokay here from all different location...mostly from china i guess...today some body trying to offer a kwong dong tokay and crimes is the largest tokay sp male glowing to 16 inches...very confusing..please advise:shock:
Green-eyed Gecko
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No pattern, no single dots, clear black eye-color - maybe no extreme metamorphosed calicos but real albinotic animals! I'm curious about the F1's! Good luck! :yikes:
As far as I know some of the different looking rock-tokays from China and Vietnam were altered to Gekko reevesii!
Some of the giant tokays you can find on the internet are just faked ...so hopefully such a 16 inches animal really exists!
As far as I know some of the different looking rock-tokays from China and Vietnam were altered to Gekko reevesii!
Some of the giant tokays you can find on the internet are just faked ...so hopefully such a 16 inches animal really exists!
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spiderlover
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So that"s no way to tell them apart is it?I really wants to know,thanks
Green-eyed Gecko
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Well I'm not foolproof, because there are so many different tokay-populations in SE-Asia (many of them are definitely are undefined different species). I keep Gekko reevesii on my own... their body- and head-shape looks different to Gekko gecko! So i would say it's more Gekko gecko.