daggekko
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after 5 months
I drooled a lot. All over. Very nice!
Tokay Morphs...
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I drooled a lot. All over. Very nice!
billewicz
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So, here is my Pied male, first two pics, and the possible Pied female, last two pics, that I've just paired him with.:wink:
I'm hoping to hit a common simple recessive pied gene here and get some visuals.
As a part of working out what the genetics really are in some of our Tokay, I have put forth a theory that a lot of "Calico" are really Pied Tokay. Actually, I've come to the conclusion that most "Leucistic" Tokay do not meet the definition. Not being a scientist, these are simply hunches.
However I did find some interesting information that makes sense from a link that another GU forum contributor posted. The work describes various genetic mutations in a scientific manner making for a somewhat tough read.
But the following quote probably confirms my guess as to what I've been calling high white piebald Tokay and a lot of what we see in "Calico" Tokay.
"Typical progressive piebald animals start out normal then loose patches of pigment over time until they reach or get near maturity when it often stops progressing, though some can progress to complete loss of pigment. However, some species have static piebaldism too, but whatever the type, piebaldism is random, not patterned."
Here is the link: Leucism, Albinism and Similar Conditions - Understanding Reptile Color and Correct Color Terminology
Have fun!
Riverside Reptiles
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Yeah, I've been saying that for a long time. The lucy's are really just "super" calicos (or pied if you prefer that name for them). They're obviously not truly "Leucistic". Too many of them show bits of pigment. Leucistic is just the name that someone slapped on them for marketing purposes.
Liddle
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That is the most harass tokay I have ever seen
bumi dragon
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piedbold
hey guys,
despite i had gone through some reading, but still i cant make up my mind of advanced piedbold and piedbold, so i saw some debates here and was wondering at the same time if my tokay was a advanced or just piedbold, can u guys give me a hand here?
hey guys,
despite i had gone through some reading, but still i cant make up my mind of advanced piedbold and piedbold, so i saw some debates here and was wondering at the same time if my tokay was a advanced or just piedbold, can u guys give me a hand here?
billewicz
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I'm thinking your big boy is piebald and should be stable given his age. Stable, meaning he probably is not going to change any more. Or, has advanced as far as he is going to go. I'm not sure that meets "advanced" by definition however.
"Progressive piebald" starts with a normal looking hatchling and the white patches develop throughout the juveniles' growth and stops in adulthood.
:muhaha::evil:Nice bite there from him I assume!:fight:
"Progressive piebald" starts with a normal looking hatchling and the white patches develop throughout the juveniles' growth and stops in adulthood.
:muhaha::evil:Nice bite there from him I assume!:fight:
Riverside Reptiles
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You might want to put that guy on a diet. He's very much obese. Pretty gecko otherwise though.
hey guys,
despite i had gone through some reading, but still i cant make up my mind of advanced piedbold and piedbold, so i saw some debates here and was wondering at the same time if my tokay was a advanced or just piedbold, can u guys give me a hand here?
Whooooooa! That guy needs to lose some weight desperately. Advanced piebald or piebald, no one wants to see such a pretty gecko dead.
billewicz
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Hello,
There seems to be old scars on the lower back which is typically from females fighting over territory. The easiest test is to look for or feel for the wax excretions from the pores that would surely be a male.
Please post photos again in a couple of months when she has been eating well and gone through a couple of sheds so we can see how nice she really is.
Enjoy.
There seems to be old scars on the lower back which is typically from females fighting over territory. The easiest test is to look for or feel for the wax excretions from the pores that would surely be a male.
Please post photos again in a couple of months when she has been eating well and gone through a couple of sheds so we can see how nice she really is.
Enjoy.
glittery
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Tks for your adviced. I will wait few month then upload the new pictures.
MC gecko
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What kind of this morph? Is it albino. But the eyes is not red color
On the pictures, he look like all white. If it's, it's leucistic morph.
But I'm not sure if I really see some yellow spot on him ...
Mathieu Bigras
Riverside Reptiles
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Very nice looking tokay. It does look like he has some yellow in the picture. Is that how he looks in real life too? I'd like to see some more pictures if you could post them.
danniel
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What kind of this morph? Is it albino. But the eyes is not red color
wow nice tokay...look like T+
glittery
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Sorry. What is meaning T+?
billewicz
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Are you ready for a little genetic science?
In T- albinos, tyrosinase is not produced by the melanophores and no melanin is ever created in the melanophores. The result is an animal possessing absolutely no black or brown pigment whatsoever. In young reptiles and some adults yellow patches have been known to occur. The eyes are usually pink or red.
In the T+ form of albino, tyrosinase is produced but is blocked from gaining access into the melanophores. Simply put, all parts are there – they just can’t mix. However, in most animals there is a certain amount of ‘mixing’ that occurs.
T+ albinos are generally darker than their counterparts, often containing traces of melanin deposits that result in a slightly darker look than the T- albinos of the same reptile. Often an orange, red, or "caramel" coloration is particularly prominent and many times the eyes are dramatically darker than expected.
So, a better guess might be T- depending on the eye color.
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