CrestedRick
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Gosh I wish someone with these animals lived near me and a project like you so they could take me under their wing and let me learn and interact with these amazing geckos.
Tokay Morphs...
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ciliatus
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So i have nothing nearly as sensational as Mike but i acquired some new animals for my tokay breeding groups the last few months.
Say hello to Beowulf:
He will be paired with Aurelia:
This pair has already been paired by a friend of mine in Germany. He had about 30 babies from this pair and then sold Aurelia to me and Beowulf to the UK, and after he did that suddenly 3 of the babies started to change their colors. Since the keeper in the UK decided to stop with tokays i did everything to get this male and reunite the couple.
2nd new tokay is my girl Desideria:
She looks like the long lost twin from my high white male Cassius and is paired up with him:
And during the last Hamm show in Germany i got lucky and found these 2 for a ridiculous price. They where sold to me as males and turned out female... both.
The first one also seems a perfect match for Beowulf:
And then last but not least, an animal that i dont know what to call but unusual:
Say hello to Beowulf:
He will be paired with Aurelia:
This pair has already been paired by a friend of mine in Germany. He had about 30 babies from this pair and then sold Aurelia to me and Beowulf to the UK, and after he did that suddenly 3 of the babies started to change their colors. Since the keeper in the UK decided to stop with tokays i did everything to get this male and reunite the couple.
2nd new tokay is my girl Desideria:
She looks like the long lost twin from my high white male Cassius and is paired up with him:
And during the last Hamm show in Germany i got lucky and found these 2 for a ridiculous price. They where sold to me as males and turned out female... both.
The first one also seems a perfect match for Beowulf:
And then last but not least, an animal that i dont know what to call but unusual:
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billewicz
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Very nice collection. At least you are still seeing better morphs at the shows in Europe. Direct imports of higher end Tokay to the US have all but stopped the last couple of years.
Your first pair should continue to throw more progressive Pied. Please let us know what the percentages of ones that turn are as this project develops.
Good Luck in the New Year!
Your first pair should continue to throw more progressive Pied. Please let us know what the percentages of ones that turn are as this project develops.
Good Luck in the New Year!
ciliatus
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This was the first time in years that i have seen tokay morphs in Hamm. It was 1 powderblue cb, 1 wc blueheadedgreen, and the 2 females i took.
I will try to keep all offspring for at least a year from that first pair. What do you think? Is the new dark granite a good match for Beowulf? Probably even better than the female he has already been with?
Tank you, wish you that your luck continues Mike.
I will try to keep all offspring for at least a year from that first pair. What do you think? Is the new dark granite a good match for Beowulf? Probably even better than the female he has already been with?
Tank you, wish you that your luck continues Mike.
billewicz
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Actually I was thinking of trying him with the last female. She may have Pied in her as well.
As for the Granite, I think you're only going to get normals but that's the mystery with Granite. We need a few more years of breeding to even scratch the surface of that puzzle.
Have Fun!
As for the Granite, I think you're only going to get normals but that's the mystery with Granite. We need a few more years of breeding to even scratch the surface of that puzzle.
Have Fun!
Riverside Reptiles
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Great looking animals as always Ingo. Thanks for sharing. Happy New Year!
billewicz
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She appears to have hatched all white. I did not see her as a newborn but when I did, she was way too young to have turned so soon. Actually she is still too young to have completely turned, compared to the 'progressive' pied animals we have produced. She would be just starting about now and none that I have, have ever gone completely white to date. So far, they are all mottled with small white patches and spots.
Kevin of N.E.R.D.S. had posted photos some years ago, (see below) of an all white hatchling that his partner had produced. I'm to understand it did not live long but it did show that an all white hatchling was possible.
Photos from N.E.R.D.S.
I try not to handle very young Tokay, especially for photography because they tend to drop their tails. So I waited until she was big enough to handle her first photo shoot. I also wanted to see that she made it past the hatchling stage before I showed her to the world.
In my experience, it seems that the white Tokay, especially females, stay small and can be a bit frail. Most tend not to be great egg producers either. I left her alone with her mother and siblings for as long as I could before I went in last week to remove the older males.
billewicz
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Well I have some more great news from the Tokay Hoard. As many of you may know, I've had over a dozen pair of various Calico/Pied wild caught Tokay. So far to date, the resulting offspring have been almost all normal looking.
The one visual came from a pairing of the girl I use for my avatar here, and the male posted below. They produced several normals and one that has green mottled/speckled splotches which came in over time.
Now we have the pied male shown below, (2nd photo) paired for the last year with this other pied female also shown here. (1st photo)
The have just recently produced a green mottled/speckled visual which became apparent very quickly, a couple of normals and a white and gray patched hatchling as well.
The little guy is only about two weeks old but I may try to get photos done soon. The fear is the tiny Tok will drop it's tail during the photography. But I'll try because it may continue to change over time.
I had a genetics expert suggest that these Tokay probably have 2 or three visual traits showing in the wild caught adults. Kind of like a 3 gene Ball Python. These two very different offspring lean in that direction as we are seeing the glittery green on one and the Lucy-like white translucent and gray patches on the other.
The one visual came from a pairing of the girl I use for my avatar here, and the male posted below. They produced several normals and one that has green mottled/speckled splotches which came in over time.
Now we have the pied male shown below, (2nd photo) paired for the last year with this other pied female also shown here. (1st photo)
The have just recently produced a green mottled/speckled visual which became apparent very quickly, a couple of normals and a white and gray patched hatchling as well.
The little guy is only about two weeks old but I may try to get photos done soon. The fear is the tiny Tok will drop it's tail during the photography. But I'll try because it may continue to change over time.
I had a genetics expert suggest that these Tokay probably have 2 or three visual traits showing in the wild caught adults. Kind of like a 3 gene Ball Python. These two very different offspring lean in that direction as we are seeing the glittery green on one and the Lucy-like white translucent and gray patches on the other.
billewicz
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I have not been so lucky in the studio setting. Shooting into the enclosure or in my hand is fine, just getting them to settle down in the photo box has been too much for the really young ones.
billewicz
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I've got another Calico visual that is turning over time. It looks very much like a Granite that is white with gray spots. (I believe Ethan has produced one of these the same way.)
This young Tokay is the product of line breeding the oldest normal looking F-1 male back to the original wild caught mother.
The pair shown below has produced about 10 normal looking offspring. The mother-son pairing has produced 5 normals and one visual to date.
First two photos are the male:
The female:
I'll try to get a photo of the new juvie soon.
This young Tokay is the product of line breeding the oldest normal looking F-1 male back to the original wild caught mother.
The pair shown below has produced about 10 normal looking offspring. The mother-son pairing has produced 5 normals and one visual to date.
First two photos are the male:
The female:
I'll try to get a photo of the new juvie soon.
billewicz
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Well, typically you can find patternless Powder Blues, Blue Headed Greens, and other variations as captive Bred. A couple of breeders have added the Calico/pied/leucistic' genetics to there Powder Blues. I'm thinking by this time next year you'll see the patternless greens with yellow feet/knees possible added to the availability list.
If you consider the blue "Malaysian type" normal as a morph, they are available from time to time as captive bred as well.
I have a couple of f-1 Super Red males that I might make available, but they are big bucks. After that, any Tokay morph will be a long term captive or fresh import. And very few are being imported any more.
Liddle
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yeah im more just looking into a nice powder blue but noone wants to sell me a nice looking female!. and mike have you made any discoveries in the tokay world as far a dom gentetics? how to you breed out your powder blues?
billewicz
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The big problem is that no one has females to sell and there's no new imports coming in. As for patternless, I no longer have true Powder Blue Tokay. By popular demand, I've sold them all. I do still have several pair of Blue Headed Greens that also powder up, but apparently they are no where near as desirable.
I've been able to line breed a three different lines of Pied/calico/leucistic and produce a few visuals. One of which I posted in the Tokay Morph tread. The others have not been photographed yet.
I've mused about what we have seen so far with white Tokay within my site: Calico-Leucistic or pied and All White Tokay
billewicz
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The big problem is that no one has females to sell and there's no new imports coming in. As for patternless, I no longer have true Powder Blue Tokay. By popular demand, I've sold them all. I do still have several pair of Blue Headed Greens that also powder up, but apparently they are no where near as desirable.
I've been able to line breed a three different lines of Pied/calico/leucistic and produce a few visuals. One of which I posted in the Tokay Morph tread. The others have not been photographed yet.
I've mused about what we have seen so far with white Tokay within my site.
Liddle
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nice! yeah ive noticed the tokay morph is moving slowwww lol. figured prices would have dropped by now. i love tokay they are my fav by a large margin. but 450 ouch lol ya know. one day someone will find the niche in the lines and they will go down in value. witch i realize is good and bad from what they have don teoo many other gecko species. but its gonna happen regardless just hope some one reputable as yourself ethan ect find it and is able too capatilize on there discoveries. i know you all have been working overtime lol
billewicz
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Very nice.
Thanks for posting these.
Thanks for posting these.
Guess its time to share some new acquisitions. :biggrin:
Meet Luteus
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and a female offspring from him i named Yellowbelly for obvious reasons.
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Greets
Ingo