Tokay Morphs...

billewicz

New member
People don't understand that this is badly overweight. Proof to that is a thread on another forum of a 190 gram Tokay with flab rolls on his neck and sides that the owner proudly announces has gotten this way from eating less than 1 adult dubia every two weeks. Everyone is praising him on how great it is because there are hardly any Tokay people on there.

Let me guess, he wants to sell him through one of those Pacific Rim Tokay Trading Companies for thousands of dollars. (See other thread, "No words for this site...").

It's sad how many people contact me looking for Tokay over 400 grams. Really? And they are not looking for a big display animal, they're looking for something to flip for big bucks.
 

ciliatus

New member
Ok, getting back to the morph topic. Here some new pics of my calico male. Some might know them from facebook already.

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Greets

Ingo
 

billewicz

New member
Super Red Update:

So, based on my review of punnett squares I will put forth my hypothesis of genetics from what I know now.

Since my original pair looked to be both Super/Dominant forms, I assumed to see all visual Super Reds. This has not been completely true since they have thrown a couple of normal looking offspring now and again.

This would suggest that one of them is actually a co-dominant of the form. But the results do not exactly match the p squares' predictions in this regard either. I'm told this happens in other reptile breeding projects where a mystery normal pops out even though the pairing was of two proven dominant animals put together.

I've breed my F-1 Super Males to other recessive morphs. So far, the first prodigy are starting to turn red. Young reds look fairly normal but will show a red sheen under an L.E.D. light and may have a brownish , rather than gray background. After about 3 months they start to turn red.

These should now be co-dominant, or High Red animals. (Plus being het for the recessive morph in this case.) It will still be several months before we see their final appearance. And it will take several more years to prove out further and confirm these observations that I've made at this point.

But given that these are most likely dominant and co-dominant respectively, as apposed to recessive, we now have a better sense of what to expect from the Super Reds.
 

billewicz

New member
So here is a continuation of the previous post. Pictured here is the F-1 Super Red Male #2, his mate, a wild caught Calico w/yellow and one of the F-2 offspring. The question is whether the offspring will be a High Red/Co-dom visual form of the male, or look just like him. Only time will tell.

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billewicz

New member
And now for some more new cool stuff!!!!!

I paired an awesome traditional looking wild caught Pied Male #1 to a more Calico looking Pied Female and they threw 5 normal looking offspring. Not surprising.

But then the last one popped out looking like this.

Ta DA!!!!!!

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Here is the Pied Male and the Calico/pied Female parents.

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ciliatus

New member
This is absolutely sensational news Mike!!! I am baffled. Despite keeping various calicos i almost lost hope that this is possible! Big congrats on this one. Maybe with this F1 offpsring you will be able to solve some of the mysteries of tokay genetics.

Greets

Ingo
 

Riverside Reptiles

Administrator (HMFIC)
That's awesome! Congrats man! Now, the big test will be, will that one produce real, simple recessive offspring?
The future holds exciting things! Way to go.
 

billewicz

New member
That's awesome! Congrats man! Now, the big test will be, will that one produce real, simple recessive offspring?
The future holds exciting things! Way to go.

So now we have more questions......

Assuming Pied is really partial Leucism, and this pair threw an all white (Pied) prodigy, then why aren't all of the offspring white. The results suggest that the parents are both het for a solid white animal and visual for something else? Or will this (girl) start producing spots and patches of color over time?

We are now resting the Dame and the various offspring will not be breedable until this time next year, so now we wait some more.

Thanks for all your best wishes and congratulations. I look forward to other surprises coming in the New Year!
 
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